Comments on: Rightly Dividing Israel and the Church http://gideonsword.net/doctrinaltruth/rightlydividingisraelchurch Challenging False Christianity Wed, 09 May 2012 14:39:03 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: John Hardin http://gideonsword.net/doctrinaltruth/rightlydividingisraelchurch/comment-page-1#comment-1786 John Hardin Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:42:57 +0000 http://gideonsword.net/?p=416#comment-1786 Joseph, thanks for reading and thanks for the comment. I think I would technically agree with you that God's eternal sovereign plan was always to the Jew first then to the Gentile, insomuch that the Jews were given the truth of the gospel first through the law and the prophets. Paul explains this in Romans 3:1-2 where he answers the question "what good is there in being Jew then?" The answer Paul gave is that to the Jews were committed the oracles of God. The Jews had the truth from the beginning, so by default, they had the first chance at believing the gospel. I also think the implication in Paul's statement is that the gospel didn't arrive as a new teaching with the advent of Christ and His ministry. The gospel had always been the truth. The Jews of the Exodus were expected to believe just like Abraham believed. Although history has shown us that very few Jews truly believed. Joseph, thanks for reading and thanks for the comment. I think I would technically agree with you that God’s eternal sovereign plan was always to the Jew first then to the Gentile, insomuch that the Jews were given the truth of the gospel first through the law and the prophets. Paul explains this in Romans 3:1-2 where he answers the question “what good is there in being Jew then?” The answer Paul gave is that to the Jews were committed the oracles of God. The Jews had the truth from the beginning, so by default, they had the first chance at believing the gospel. I also think the implication in Paul’s statement is that the gospel didn’t arrive as a new teaching with the advent of Christ and His ministry. The gospel had always been the truth. The Jews of the Exodus were expected to believe just like Abraham believed. Although history has shown us that very few Jews truly believed.

]]> By: Joseph http://gideonsword.net/doctrinaltruth/rightlydividingisraelchurch/comment-page-1#comment-1713 Joseph Thu, 01 Jul 2010 04:21:42 +0000 http://gideonsword.net/?p=416#comment-1713 I enjoyed reading this. My Sunday School class is doing a verse by verse study of the Book of Romans and we briefly discussed this very topic last Sunday. I agree that neither side is correct. I am not quite sure that I am ready to turn the covenant of God to Israel into a parable or a metaphor. I understand where you are coming from and how you came to that conclusion, however. I, personally, would probably say that God's eternal sovereign plan was always first to the Jews, and then for the Gentiles. We can see examples of this in the OT, even in the Exodus story where God first delivers the Jews and then others follow after them. We also see the order of salvation seen in the NT with the writings of Paul himself. I think we finally see the ultimate will of God revealed in His covenant to make no distinction between the Jews and Gentiles, but to bring them together as His elect Church. There is, therefore, no Jew nor Gentile in Christ. We are all God's chosen people, as those who are saved by faith alone, through grace alone, through Christ Alone, for the Glory of God Alone. I really enjoyed reading your article, and agree with most of what you say. I would be interested to hear your comments or questions on where I might possibly differ slightly from your view. I enjoyed reading this. My Sunday School class is doing a verse by verse study of the Book of Romans and we briefly discussed this very topic last Sunday. I agree that neither side is correct. I am not quite sure that I am ready to turn the covenant of God to Israel into a parable or a metaphor. I understand where you are coming from and how you came to that conclusion, however. I, personally, would probably say that God’s eternal sovereign plan was always first to the Jews, and then for the Gentiles. We can see examples of this in the OT, even in the Exodus story where God first delivers the Jews and then others follow after them. We also see the order of salvation seen in the NT with the writings of Paul himself. I think we finally see the ultimate will of God revealed in His covenant to make no distinction between the Jews and Gentiles, but to bring them together as His elect Church. There is, therefore, no Jew nor Gentile in Christ. We are all God’s chosen people, as those who are saved by faith alone, through grace alone, through Christ Alone, for the Glory of God Alone. I really enjoyed reading your article, and agree with most of what you say. I would be interested to hear your comments or questions on where I might possibly differ slightly from your view.

]]> By: John Hardin http://gideonsword.net/doctrinaltruth/rightlydividingisraelchurch/comment-page-1#comment-1712 John Hardin Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:19:19 +0000 http://gideonsword.net/?p=416#comment-1712 David, Good point about the Temple. I'll change that detail in the article. Thanks for reading. I always appreciate your input, so any input you have will be well received. David, Good point about the Temple. I’ll change that detail in the article. Thanks for reading. I always appreciate your input, so any input you have will be well received.

]]> By: Riverwalker http://gideonsword.net/doctrinaltruth/rightlydividingisraelchurch/comment-page-1#comment-1710 Riverwalker Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:53:37 +0000 http://gideonsword.net/?p=416#comment-1710 Excellent read! Excellent read!

]]> By: Mishkan David http://gideonsword.net/doctrinaltruth/rightlydividingisraelchurch/comment-page-1#comment-1709 Mishkan David Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:23:42 +0000 http://gideonsword.net/?p=416#comment-1709 Small detail: Solomon's temple was destroyed in 606 BCE. What was destroyed in 70 CE was Herod's temple, also known as the Second Temple. You are on the right path. Neither supercessionism not dispensationalism completely get the picture correct. I want to take some time to re-read, and consider some of your logic, and the conclusions you reach, before commenting further. Needless to say, I have my own views on the relationship between the Messianic community vis-a-vis the rest of the Jewish community. But I want to give your thoughts a fair hearing. Shalom Small detail: Solomon’s temple was destroyed in 606 BCE. What was destroyed in 70 CE was Herod’s temple, also known as the Second Temple.

You are on the right path. Neither supercessionism not dispensationalism completely get the picture correct.

I want to take some time to re-read, and consider some of your logic, and the conclusions you reach, before commenting further. Needless to say, I have my own views on the relationship between the Messianic community vis-a-vis the rest of the Jewish community. But I want to give your thoughts a fair hearing.

Shalom

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