Thanks I seem to be coming here more and more .  nhegge

Brothers and Sisiters need to wake up. There are still prophest that recive from the true annointing of the Holy Spirit, just like it was for the prophets in the scriptures. If Tom Deckard is truly reciving from the Holy Spirit, then he is speaking the truth. All of the prophets, from the scriptures received the same way. When someone has a true born again expereince, they recieve the Revelation of Jesus Christ, not by reasoning with the mind, but with an ecnounter of the Holy Spirit, revealing who the Father is through Jesus Christ. May the Lord show you his grace, and goodness, and Kingdom

In Christ Jesus, King of Kings

Joseph  Joseph Jacob

I agree with everything you said Joseph. When a person is truly born-again, they receive revelation from God, just as Peter did when Jesus asked him who did he (peter) say that He is; Peter answered: “thou art the Christ”.

1 Corinthians 12:3 tells us that “no man can say that Jesus is Lord but by the Holy Ghost.” That is revelation. And that is the same revelation that Peter recieved from the Father to which Jesus replied… “flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven”. This type of “revelation” that Peter had is that rock that Christ has built His Church on.

As far as “personal” or specific revelation goes, I don’t doubt that men receive revelation like that. But, the Holy Spirit will ALWAYS speak to a person in such a way that glorifies the name of Jesus. In order to properly discern whether a “prophet” is forthtelling the Word of God, or speaking from a devil, we need to compare what the Word of God says about revelation…

“1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

So, according to the Bible, the prophecy of Tom Deckard is suspect as being from that “spirit of antichrist”. If Tom Deckard walked up to you in a grocery store, and told you; “I know what you’ve been doing and you need to stop it”; then those who “take care of him” drag him away so he doesn’t make a scene… how does that glorify Christ? It doesn’t, in fact, by making a scene and offending people by his actions Tom Deckard is actually drawing attention to himself… That’s called “negative publicity” in the media world.

John (administrator)  jhardin

Tom Deckard spends too much time bragging about HIS abilities. He comes across as arrogant. I got a check in my spirit as I was just listening to him and thought I would check out the internet if there were any warnings about him. I find no information to “back up” any of his claims when he talks about leaders of countries becoming his “buddy” when he saves them from a drought and such.

Hardamber  Hardamber

Greetings,
I think that one should listen to Prophet Deckards whole testamony before judgeing. He has never had a prophecy to day fall to the ground. While he does not bgive dates his prophecies have and are coming true. If you have heard and researched all that he has said both on radio and with Stan, oh yes and made for DVD…then you could judge….get the whole picture first..as for fasting have you ever done it? Fasting is done when you are seeking an answer from the Father. Of course just how many days have you went without food and water as the Bible speaks of? Try fasting sometime and asking the Father for a question……Shalom  Pastor Dan Catlin

I wish these people who keep praising Tom Deckard would do an actual background check on his previous ministry. It fell in the year 2000 because he was having adulterous affairs with the women of his congregation and he is now married to one of those women. You can interview any of his previous congregation and find these allegations are true. I have never heard him mention HIS PAST SIN but is quick to want to point out sins of others!  Gayle

Please delete the last post.

I have not listened to Zephs interview, only what my friend told me. I did hear the EDGE broadcast and was alrmed at the disparaging of scripture and the sabbath-feasts statements  Rory Moore

A false prophet is a false prophet. All it takes is one falseness or contradiction of scripture to disqualify them. Life is too short and God’s warnings to important to listen to these deceivers. Also, to the blog owner, Gail Riplinger is not what you think she is and neither is Michael Hoggard. Riplinger’s book NABVs is full of one lie and distortion after another. I did not get this information by hearing it from someone else but have verified her lies for myself–a process that has taken 16 months so far. She is DISQUALIFIED according to God’s word. Hoggard has spoken of extra-biblical things on the Prophecy Club and elsewhere. He too is disqualified. Both he and Riplinger are FALSE teachers. If you do not believe me, check it out for yourselves. Afterall, scripture says that Christians are to “be as the Bereans” and to “test every spirit.” If you don’t, you only have yourself to blame, not the person who has done the work for you. Have a good day!  IrishFiddler

I don’t believe that a New Testament prophet (preacher) can be held to the same standard that an Old Testament prophet was held to.

First of all, an Old Testament prophet was to “foretell” events. A New Testament prophet is one who “forth-tells” the truth of God. As fallible human beings we all make mistakes and to expect perfection 100% of the time is unreasonable. Peter was rebuked by Paul for making mistake (Galatians), but I wouldn’t consider Peter a false prophet.

Although I don’t agree with everything Michael Hoggard teaches concerning eternal security, I have met the man on a number of occasions and I believe he is sincere.

I have read Gail Riplingers book NABV’s and again, I don’t agree with everything she stated, and I even think some of what she wrote is sensationalism… she does make some very good points in her book. I don’t believe she is a false teacher either… just a fallible author who wrote a fallible book.

I would like to say that I DO believe there are some real “False Teachers” and I have attempted to expose some of them in articles on my website:  Gideon’s Sword Ministries

John  jhardin

“come sit at the feet of “the” prophet. Partake of the Manna. By. Prophet T. E. Deckard”

I saw him at an actual Prophecy Club meeting where some member/patron/paying guest said something challenging some Deckard about some person Deckard blasted and spoke ill of. Deckard in seemingly an uncontrolled rage yelled at the man, told him to leave the meeting (even though he already paid for it and I doubt he got his $ back) God will kill him. I have seem this guy at meetings since then – even at the meeting the other day. I was also taken back by the seemingly massive boasting Deckard offered himself. Boasting himself above other prophets and touting how HE is THE REAL prophet of God. I am NO WHRERE super holy, rarely read the bible, and not all Holy Ghost halleluiah, however EVEN I felt Deckard was WAY OUT OF LINE!

The seminar was very interesting and he wasn’t the only prophet or speaker who showed high amounts of arrogance, but I feel it was the combination of his arrogant, boastfulness and his uncontrolled bouts of anger that turned me off and made me think. I believe he claimed that if he told God to cause an earth quake or kill someone, God would do it. Or maybe it was that if he blasted and said (even perhaps accidentally in an bout of anger) for something to break, die, fall, or some other catastrophic it would happen. I feel that is TOTALLY UNFAIR. I know God did horribly unfair things in the old testaments and God killed and punished (or allowed some lunatic prophet or leader to unfairly kill and punish) supposed innocent victims, but Jesus came and showed love, tolerance, and peace. Although Jesus said and did some shady stuff too and He’s coming back to crack skulls as they say and pronounce judgment.

I will say that Deckard did open my super non Jewish eyes in regards to Christianity. Christians totally ignore their Jewish roots and try to have Christianity make since. Via Deckard and some other messianic Jewish speaker talking about the book of Daniel and Revelations, I bought Michael Rood’s video about the Fall & Spring Feasts of the Lord. That opened my eyes and TOTALLY explained 85% of Christianity that the average gentile teacher, preacher, evangelist, or Christian person had absolutely no way of explaining to me. I will also agree with what someone wrote earlier that NO ONE is perfect and thus there will always be things in questions. I heard Haggard speak twice and even though I don’t totally agree with some of his extreme views on music, etc. HE DOES HAVE SOME SUPER VALID POINTS!!!

As a human who was blessed with a properly working brain, you should use it and not totally relay on some other human as your god/guide/truth/or any other thing. For if you do, when that person falls, you fall just as hard and fast down with them. As a human, you should judge everything with a grain of salt. Just because some speaker said some questionable things does not mean that the rest is a flat out lie. There is truth in everything – and a lie in everything as well. Being that humans are NOT perfect, you should use your human brain to take the meat and spit out the bones. Thusly with Deckard, I sat and listened to his whole speech and he was on point with many things. As a super prophet of God….. I’ m glad I’m not the only one who is questioning him.

Come hear International Messianic Jewish Prophet Tom Deckard talk about his vision of the bird flu that is coming to the United States and the world. Millions are about to die and only a prophet of G-d can tell us how to escape this pandemic.  Mogwa

I noticed that if you click on my name it will take you to Deckard’s site. There you can see his brags and boasts for yourself. You can also see him beckoning you to sit at his feet. Somehow this is too much. Even the president and pope doesn’t have people graveling and sitting at their feet – and Catholics seemingly to like to grovel and worship Mary, the ring of the pope, and various other idols – to completely NO offence. I am ONLY judging this as an outsider so I really have limited knowledge of the Catholic faith.

Deckard’s website is http://www.jewishprophet.com.  Mogwa

So quick to judge, tear down, point fingers, for what, this so called body of christ attacks itself over and over again, let me try and make this simple for you all…

If you have ought with your brother(sister), go to them and discuss it, if they are wrong and do not listen, go back, but with a witness, if this fails, then go to the leaders…

Who here is brave enough to do the right thing, who here dares to cast the first stone…

Lets encourage each other instead of putting others down for your own attention, profit, gain, pride or whtever it may be…

Stop being so quick to judge, remove the board from your own eye before trying to remove the speck from your brothers(sisters)…

Any of this ring a bell…

Read up on what it is to be a prophet, decide then if you want to be so quick to touch YHVH’s anointed, right or wrong, remember King David knew better than to touch Saul, he was wrong, but was still YHVH’s anointed, this doesn’t mean i’m implying tom deckard is wrong, just providing the example…

If he is YHVH’s anointed, and none of his prophecies have fallen to the ground, then careful to those of you who have so quickly, and dare i say arrogantly judged, i hope u find truth in scripture from what i’ve shared and zip the lip as to not go any further…

Meet the man, question him if you hav ought with him accordibg to scripture, otherwise zip it or you might be unpleasantly surprised from reaping what you sow…  Its Me

The Apostle John recorded the words of Christ after His resurrection as he was told to write to the church at Ephesus… “I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: (Rev. 2:2)

As responsible Christians we should “try” teachers and leaders… and “judge” them based on what we find; and we not only have the liberty to ‘point fingers’… but we have the responsibility to point a finger at those we have found to be liars, and fakes.

Tom Deckard is a fake… not as a prophet, but as a Christian. What I mean by that is, I have not researched his ability to prophecy… nor do I care how many of his prophecy’s have come to pass. The act of judging a prophet on the basis of his ability to foretell future events passed away with the Old Testament.

In the New Testament, a prophet is one who “forth” tells the word of God… and that is the basis on which any “so-called” prophet (or preacher) should be judged today. What I have heard from Mr. Deckard is what I have judged and that being based on his ability to “forth-tell” the word of God… and he has failed miserably. Therefore, as I have laid out in the original article… Tom Deckard is a false prophet.

Now, concerning his ability to foretell future events… or to reveal intimate or personal details of a person’s life; that is nothing new… and definitely does not qualify him as a man of God. The Apostle Paul himself had a run-in with a woman in Phillipi who was possessed with a spirit of divination (or foretelling). This woman made her masters a lot of money because she was apparently very good at what she did by “prophesying” (Acts 16:16). Now, would you say that the power for her to foretell the future or “divine” was obviously an indication that she had the power of God on her? Of course not… she was possessed by a devil, and therefore any teaching she would have given would have been suspect as being devious or mischievously intended to carry out the agenda of Satan.

By the same token, Tom Deckard has been proven by my article to have failed miserably in the office of a New Testament prophet by judging his teachings alone… the fact that he possesses the ability to “prophesy” or “divine” only tells me that he is influenced by an outside power that is apparently using that power to “prophecy” to gain the trust of those he is teaching… and that is most likely to carry out the agenda of Satan.

Everyone need to be careful of Tom Deckard. He might be telling the truth when he prophecy’s… but his teachings are VERY dangerous.

John Hardin  jhardin

thank you for ignoring what i said and contiuing to harp on what you have already stated, if you need to hear yourself or repeat yourself, record it, stick to what is there, you obviously have ought with this man, go to him and deal with it according to scripture and integrity if you so love this gospel and this life, becareful again of touching YHVH’s anointed, or even casting the first stone, a very new testament teaching, i trust you still won’t heed this simple advice, alas, i can only hope to be proved wrong, although i hope this is not the case, you play a dangerous game taking such self proclaimed authority to judge, hows that go again, just lest you be judged, you might want to step off a little and slow down, learn and study truths to show yerself approved instead of putting others down, its a shame if you can’t see this, or if you can’t even go to the man you have so much ought against to deal with it, you then need to ask just how truly decieved you have become before its too late, you offer no one justice by your comments here, you become a stumbling block, more than anything, I will ask you agian, very kindly, please, you obviously have ought with tom deckard, go to him, according to scripture, and deal with what you must, wha tyou are doing now, here and encouraing others to do is wrong and potentially dangerous, especially if tom deckard is anointed by YHVH, remember that david wouldn’t even touch saul despite the sins of saul, again I in no way imply tom deckard is wrong in any way by sharing this example again, maybe this time you will actuallyt read what I have said instead of restating yourself as if the first few times wasn’t enough, deal with your problems don’t spread them and encourage others to do the same, follow this scripture you speak of and confront him who you have ought against, becareful not to cast the first stone and so on, you know this truth, it just doesn’t suit your taste, does it, kind of takes away from what you do, hope you listen this time around…  Its Me

OK… I was kind in my first response to you. But here is the truth of the matter.

I don’t have a problem going to Mr. Deckard personally and telling him I believe he’s a false prophet and most likely possessed by a devil. But tell me honestly would Mr. Deckard take that comment graciously if he were a false prophet and possessed by a devil? Most likely not.

To handle this scripturally (as you say) is to go to our brother that we have ought with and tell them what they are doing wrong…. The problem I have with that, is Tom Deckard is not my brother! Not only is he NOT God’s annointed… he is most likely not even saved!

If Tom Deckard is a false prophet, and 2 Peter chapter 2 is right… then Tom Deckard hates the Church, and would be willing to cause the church to suffer to make merchandise of it (2 Peter 2:3)…

I have ought with ANYONE who perniciously leads people to a well without water. I have ought with ANYONE who claims the power of God… but preaches heresy. And I have ought with ANYONE who mischeviously gathers loyal followers like you who have already gone astray. Your end will be the same as his… destruction.

This is what the Apostle Peter says about men like Tom Deckard.

2Pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
2Pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2Pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
2Pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
2Pe 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

I would love to discuss this in a more efficient way. If you’d like, please go to our discussion forums and start a thread somewhere… in fact, I’ll do it for you. Here is the link…

http://www.swordforums.net/index.php?f=17

John  jhardin

I read Mogwa’s post. If Mogwa had not said two “little” things I might have given some ear to what this person said but Mogwa claims that God did some unfair things. God is not unfair – God is perfect. Because it is beyond your realm of comprehension doesn’t make Him unfair. JOB 13:15 “Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him”. Mogwa also says Yashua Hamashiach did some shady things. Yashua is God in the flesh and did nothing shady. Yashua is perfect. Although I agree with Mogwa when he/she says he/she is “not all Holy Ghost” – I won’t argue with that. Beware of this person’s comments.  Tommy

You speak too harshly and too out of place, you say you ahve no porblem going to htose you have ought with according to scripture but onc again pre judge the man to be a waste of your time dismissing your responsibilty to do what is right, then you go on to quopte scripture without any real direct application, why engage someone who seems hell bent on destruction and uses scripture ot fight scripture ignoring your own responsibilities, please do not patronize justification… if you do not wish to do what is right in this matter then do yourself a favour, quit now before you make things worse, you have gone too far to declare anyone, tom or not by questioning salvation, you act as if you know everyone’s heart and intent, including my own, that is aimlessly dangerous, it is still a simple matter, like it or not, you are not one to predetermine tom deckards response, salvation or anything else related to the man, to judge someone so foolishly can only casue you harm and to be a stubling block to others, well, I can think of a few warnings that would csue me to think twice before lashing out at someone like you have and seem to think its your God given right, when you look at a man and see good, well then talk to me, when you se the children being fed, clothed, sheltered, when you see people light up with hope, when you see the softness of the man, then all should find delight in that, instead you set out in treachery to find all that you can to twist and you aimlessly use scripture to justify your comments… its like you have the most advanced tank but your drunk sitting int he drivers seat facing the wrong way, its trouble no matter how you look at it, if yuo cannot see the good in any man then you have no purpose in life, none whatsoever, tell me then, what are your intentions, who is your god… really, because your lack of knowledge in character of men, the scriputres and love applied is a sure sign that you just don’t get it, stop trying to make a name for yourself and do what is right, you said at the star of your last comment, I would go to him who I have ought with but would he listen, HEY, the whole point is, is not your call, you do what is right, see, again, you prove your focus is wrong, and as long as this is the case, then your words are folly… again, I reiterate, do not use more scripture to justify you ignoring what you sould do with your ought agianst tom deckard, and do what is right, then go ahead, tell me your intentions… for whatever that may be worth… why not look a some scriputres of love in the meantime… SHALOM, I hope the best for you, I just hope for your sake you see the danger in coming against someone who is anointed by YHVH and who is a brother, whether you like it or not, Saul was a bad man who tried to kill David, David knew that at one point, Saul was anointed by YHVH and therefore knew better than to come agianst him physically or verbally, he maintained a love and respect, learn from this, and know that Tom Deckard is doing good things, has done good things and that cannot go unnoticed, unless your hell bent on being a kingdom shit disturber and a stumbling block too blind to see the harm you are causing yourself and others, you have not done nearly enough homework on he man nor have you confronted him with your concerns, therefore you are in sin… its so simple isn’t it, almost seems futile to try and complicate it, but I’m sure if you still don’t see the need to confront him, you will find a way again to justify your behaviour and ignore the simle truth that when you have ought, you need to go to that person… just do it, ok…  Its Me

Listen…. You seem very disturbed that I would have the audacity to oppose someone whom you believe in. It is not my intention to offend you or anyone else. It IS though, my intention to warn people about false prophets… and I DO believe Tom Deckard is a false prophet… I will make no apology for stating what I believe to be the truth.

I have given scriptural evidence to substantiate my claims against Mr. Deckard which haven’t seemed to effect you at all… that worries me. I fear that you may be weakened by you lack of Biblical study… and therefore in your weakened state have been manipulated by Mr. Deckard with fear to make you believe he is a true prophet.

I won’t cast my pearls to swine concerning this issue with you any longer… but, I will say; please consider what I have said…. look up the scriptural evidence I have given…. and pray about it. I will be praying for you.

In the mean time… consider these verses, and compare them with the actions of Tom Deckard…

1Pe 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
1Pe 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight [thereof], not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
1Pe 5:3 Neither as being lords over [God's] heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

John  jhardin

You really think this is about me being an advocate for Tom, this is about you, your so busy trying to the speck out of my eye, or Tom’s that you’ve missed the log in your own eye, you choose to ignore the very scriptures you misquote for your own agendas that you totally have misunderstood the point, YOU need to do what is right, Tom is what he is and does not need me to defend him, which I don’t, nor am I a groupie, as you suggest, I beleive in YHVH, and His word, if the office of the prophet exists through Tom great, but YOU have no ground to stand on if you yourself won’t do whats right, take your ought to Tom, no more excuses…

DO not pray for me, nor compare me to swine… you make this personal, you cannot, you do not have my permission to pray for me, no matter what spirit you are of…

You act as if you offer a gift and knoweldge of scripture, I just wanted you to see that you are violating scripture yourself by once again not going to Tom and the others you so arrogantly come against, instead of dealing with it…

Judge not lest you be judged, you kill by the sword, you die by the sword…

No longer be a coward and confront Tom, in love according to scripture with your ought and end this ordeal, for good…

I have said all I need to say, LISTEN…  its me

Alright… I’m going to call you on this.

Did Elijah go to each of the Prophets of Baal and lovingly confront them on their error personally? No, he didn’t… he simply proved to the world that they were worshipping a false god.

When Moses went before Pharaoh and gave a sign by throwing his rod down and it turned into a serpent… Pharaoh’s magicians did the same thing. Did Moses then lovingly turn to them and explain their error? No, God proved to everyone there that He was supreme by Moses serpent devouring the rods of Pharaoh’s magicians.

When Jesus went to the Temple and saw the money changers and others making a mockery of Temple… did Jesus go to each person there and gently describe how dangerous it was to do what they were doing? Of course not… Jesus turned over their tables, chased them out of the Temple, and even blocked the entrance so they couldn’t come back in, and in so doing made a statement to the world that what they were doing was wrong.

Tom Deckard is not my brother, he is a false prophet, a magician, and a money changer who greedily gains from “Christianity”, and I see no reason why he should be treated any different than Pharaoh’s magicians, the prophets of Baal, or the money changers in the Temple.

By exposing his error, and showing the world he is wrong… I am following in Jesus’ footsteps.

John  jhardin

Not to mention that if “it’s me says” were to follow their own advice they would have contacted you personally themselves for your “error” they way they recommend.

I have three or four of Tom Deckard’s Prophecy Club DVDs. When I watched the first it sparked my interest. When I got the second it seemed a lot like the first. The third and fourth seemed the same too. He always talks about the same thing. Most of his DVDs in my opinion have 2% content relating to what the DVD is supposed to be about and 98% is him talking about how he is a real prophet.

When I started to really listen was when red flags went up. Things like (I’m paraphrasing) “Believing in Yeshua and all that is fine and all but the REAL power is with the angels!” That didn’t sit well with me. Stuff like that. Another I found funny was that he warned not to tempt the angels. He said that at times he would ask the angels certain “out of place” questions and that the angels would get angry and warn him not to ask those questions implying they would smite him or something. Wow. So an angel of the Creator sent to do His work is going to smite one of us or bully us for asking questions? He also said that he has earned the right to raise his voice in anger at the Creator.

If someone really listens and has a rudimentary understanding of the Deity of Yeshua and knows some basics of the Bible, they can pick up on many things Tom Deckard says that seem iffy or outright wrong. Tom Deckard appears to be the kind who is very sneaky and is able to fool many people who are looking for guidance. He is either a knowing deceiver or deceived himself. I’m still not sure what I think his deal is exactly.

He nearly had me fooled the first couple of days after I saw his first DVD that I got on “Fasting for Power and Anointing”. It seemed right to me. Then it was “75 Encounters with Angels”, “Visions of America’s Judgment” and “False Prophets and Propehcies” and then that was it. I wish I could get my money back.

Apparently he also had some tape or CD set on how to become a prophet. I thought the Creator appointed prophets.

Thanks for your comments John.  Tommy

Thanks Tommy for the information.

It’s good to get this information out there for others who are searching for the truth about people like Tom Deckard.

I really appreciate you posting your personal experience with his DVD’s… about 3000 people per day look at this site right now, who knows how many you will have helped with your post.

We are living in a time where people are deceiving and being deceived… False teachers are more blatant than ever, and are saturating the media with their false teaching and deception.

We can’t afford to keep quiet about it.

John  jhardin

I have no ought with you, as tommy attempts to speak on my behalf, (not a good thing to do to people tommy, i trust your intetnions are pure, at least once) it is not my place, I don’t know you, I don’t appreciate your view on life, your influence on others, I offer warning for what you do and say is dangerous, yet you seem to thingk it is your god goven right… for you to get others involved is quite interesting, it is at the point where you are so defensive of your erroneaous ways YHVH Himself couldn’t get through to you, like Pharoah’s heart was hardened, how many chances did he have to change his ways, pharoah raised Moses, you act as if there was no interaction between them before, the money changers, again, how many times did the Messiah deal with them, it wasn’t a sudden burst on a bunch of strangers, there chances were missed, same thing with Elijah, you think that was the first run in, no, none of these examples you give apply, nice try though, lets try taking things in context, of course if you or tommy or any other naysayer took the time to learn the context of the matter and people you come against, you would have nothing to say, your pride would be crushed )which would be a good thing, altough ti hurts the flesh) and your supposed purpose in life would no linger exist, if you built yourself up in this, theres no way you will let it go, instead it will bring you down… I suppose, you see, if we all looked at the world like you did, well guess what, YHVH messed up, He restarted with Noah, was our Messiah perfect, hmmm, want to raise arguements, you can, bet your the kind of person who would, point here is this, jhardin, and now tommy, is this, you will find fault in anything you look at, it, no matter how perfect and wonderful it is, or you can find positive in anything, no matter how sinful and disgusting it is, call it the sign of the times, what is good is called evil what is evil is called good… is that whats oging on here… now tommy, yuou bring personal example, you have dvd’s you first say spoke to you but something changed, you ever wonderhow that something changed is the enemy who comes to steal, kill and destroy, of you hear a word and it takes without resistanc,e be weary, hell, the apostles didn’t even understand the messages the messiah spoke, the parables even… and on that note, on jhardin’s comment, on Prophet Tom Deckard’s money issues, how do you know, how does a man with no church, no car and a humble home gain financially from christianity, one who empties his bank account, charges onlty cost of materials made and sends all offerings to feed the children through WAM ministires, making sure the bank account is empt every month, He lives financially by faith, you again are misleading, tommy, you use comments like apparantly, if you don’t know, don’t speak about it, of you don’t care to find out, then don’t talk about it, its ok to be like the bereans, Paul encouraged it, the bereans schecked out everything Pual taught, but still listened to the message, desptie the faults iof the man… jhardin, tommy, you both have faults, does this discredti your entire efforts in life… according to you guys, it does, and no, I am not commenting on Tom Deckard, nor giving ground to mention of his faults, or any other person you decide to attack… guys, if you’re so right and perfect and full of love, why are you acting like this, let me make this simple if I can, you jhardin are too hardheaded and have too much to at stake to go back on your attitude and supposed life calling of bashing ministers, whether or not they are annointed, (i remind you again, Saul was not tocuhed by David becasue David knew, you do not touch one of YHVH’s anointed, despite the fact Saul was trying to kill David) instead you blindly attack and defend your position that people like Tom can’t be anointed, releasing yourself from being wrong, (of course fooling yerself and other is easir then fooling YHVH) and yet again you find pointless, takne out of centext references to distract from what is really going on, and my personla favourite, tommy, trying to say that I am wrong so that jhardin is excused from doing right, see how far gone this has gotten…
I don’t know your life jhardin, nor yours tommy, yuo srue dont’ know mine and even more so Tom Deckards… you choose a path that has no promise and tommy, you are accountable for your actions, even though jhardin is rsponsible for possibly guiding you or infleuncing you (i’m not sure, maybe you did this alone) but you will be held accountable as well, now, not that it matters, but I have kept my identity to myself for a reason, I have co authored a number of christian books, been aroun all the greats as christianity calls it, Kim Clement, Harol Harding, Jesse Duplantis, Jerry Seville, Joyce Meyers, Benny Hinn, Peter Youngren and on and on, the lsit is endless, offered jobs and mentorships with all the above and more, I was at the top of the christion world, the church, and despite all the corruption I’ve seen, witnessed and more, my heart still is extended towards those people, I had a choice, get angry, hold grudges, and in some cses, I did, to my own detriment, now hear this, years later, Prophet Tom Deckard, fasting DVD came across my path, it spoke to me good, a regular churh person won’t get it, the devil will come to steal kill and destroy, (like it appears he did with you tommy), after 18 years of hearing the same christion teachings, prosperity, health and wealth, (but only if your in the inner circle) along comes a man with hard truth, (but not yet hard enough) and real answers, whose life visibly lived by faith… no big house, car, private plane, no plea after plea for money, I came to my town and there were people there who had no money to give, but the Prophet made sure they left with all the materials they wanted… you see, you have no clue… I am not defending him, nor do I wish to enter a debate on issues of foolishness with either one of you, I do not need scriptures taken out of context applied to your further refusal to do what is right, and yes tommy, despite what i do or say here doens’t mean jhardin or yourself is excused from doing the right thing… all I would like either one of you to understand is this, like it or not, if Tom Deckard is or was annointed by YHVH, then no matter, like Saul, if he falls or not, yuo are not to touch him, you cannot defnd that, there is no scripture to use to determine whether he is or isn’t, you cannot ignore that satan has successfuly in my opnion stole from you (tommy more specificlly) the blessings hidden in the messages, as event he apsotles missed what the message was from the messiah time and time again… for as many people that comment here, I can tell you of many more testimonies of truth, power and anointing that has impacted lifes all over the place, and let’s not forget that not one of Tom Deckard’s prohpesies has fallen to the ground, a true testiment according to scripture that he is a real prophet, and think of the blessing the man is to teach of the things of the messiah as a born Jew, raised orthodox, so many of them dont’ beleive in Yeshua, but he does, for every man that has ears let him hear… if you jhardin cannot hear, and you tommy ahve been influenced or have chosen not to hear, (maybe you can’t like the apostles and need to ask questions, we all do sometimes) then you need to stop playing the dangerous game that you are, stop defending your pride, and get to know the man, confront him if you feel you must, but before you spread more gossip, slander and become further stumbling blocks, meet the man, face to face… or shut up, one of the two, I have some strange interest in wondering what makes you two guys tick, but for now am weary of your decieftful hearts and what spirit you truly are of, Tom’s messages are not for the weak, and neither is this one…  its me

It’s a pleasure for me, John. Likewise I appreciate it when others give their honest experience to share so that I can benefit, too. I hope “its me” will realize where their argument is faulty and that the Holy Spirit will give them discernment and a good dose of common sense to be able to know how and where to apply the Word of the Lord within the proper contexts with wisdom and understanding and not foolishly, and also for the rest of us to be able to do so and/or continue to do so. I know that for myself I need and want to get better in that area.

I see where “its me” is coming from about going to your brother first but I also don’t think it necessarily applies in this case and agree more with your points, John. One of the reasons is that Tom Deckard doesn’t seem to be a brother in need of fraternal help – indicators point to him not being a brother to begin with. “its me” is also saying that you have a log of your own in your eye, but I don’t see you going out teaching false prophecy. Their logic seems twisted.

I’m not saying we ought to go out and judge willy nilly with venom or that we ought not to deal with certain matters privately but that’s where discernment comes in. I would say that when it comes to false teaching that will deceive people we should knock it down and expose it a soon as possible.

To “not judge” has become one of the biggest cop outs people use to avoid being shown where they are in error and concocted by Satan.

“The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.” (Psa. 37:30)

“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” (Isaiah 8:20)

“Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.” (Amos 5:14-15)

“Now I beseech you brethren by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing and that there be no division among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” (I Corinthians 1:10)

“Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?” (I Kings 3:9)

“Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.” (Malachi 3:18)

“I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars” (Revelation 2:2)

Jesus: “He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory (Tom Deckard seems to do this quite a bit, but sprinkled with “god” here and there for good measure to break up his rants on what a powerful prophet he is): but he that seeketh His glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousneous is in him.

Did Moses not give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

The people: “The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?

Jesus: “Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.

Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision, not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers; and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

—>Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” (John 19 to 24)  Tommy

I would like to add these verses to what you said Tommy…

Mat 7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16  Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Why is it wrong for us to re-iterate the words of Jesus?

John  jhardin

WOW, still such defensessness and abusive use of scripture, wht are u guys using, bible pro or esword, its great eh, makes anyone who can type, I dunno, say the word, “judgement” in the search part and voila, a magnitutde of scripture pops up, here’s one of interest for you, judge not lest ye be judged, oh, wait let me throw in this one, Jesus Wept, oh yeah, go hang yerself, thats another good one, see, guys, randomness in scripture is bull headed and dangerous, its how religous sects start, and et again you have found another excuse to not do what is right, dismissing Tom as your brother, as if you even know hpw to define such a term, and your scriputers you quote, ARE YOU READING THEM FIRST, hopw blinded are thee that cannot grasp the essence of the Living Word, pick and choose the parts that get your point across, nothing else, you are missing so much, you think a few thrashings of scripture pieced together, taken out of context justifies you both??? Come on, for a second there Ithough I might have been delaing with two guys with hearts for the truth, I am clearly mistaken, and you John, tirelessly try them which be apostles, and find them to be liars, great, what does this have to do with the ofice of the Prophet??? You know how the Prophet is tested according to scripture, its this simple, if his prophecies, (from YHVH) come to pass, he is real, if a prophecy doesn’t come to pass, stone him… the amount of twisted guidance and manipulation of scripture you do is unreal!!! You will not be able to justify yourself to YHVH, you still refuse to seek a true path and find righteousness in seeking the truth, you both quote scriptures in such erroneous error I am offended for YHVH… you look to scripture to sway me yet mention the Spirit to guide me against Tom, again missing the entire point, this is so little to do with Tom and has all to do with you, and now Tommy, Tommy, your scripture references have been so taken out of context, you guys make such strong claims, you call a man you don’t know a liar, evil and one who is not even a brother, I gave it a chance, I had some hope, that you would look past Tom, becasue you have put him on more of a pedastool thorugh all of this, a man you do not know, refuse to know and refuse to address, such COWARDNESS is only befitting of those operating in a wrong spirit, you have no confidence to address the man, you have no right to gossip abotu the man, (anyman for this matter) and you ahve no right to suggest or pray for me to be led by whatever spirit you are of… Find truth… seek truth… knwo truth… and if all you are going to do is throw a bunch of random scritpures together searching a keyword in a bible program, do not waste my time or yours in your selfish agendas and limited understanding, such arrogance, pride and self seekign wil lead to no where, Tommy, read the scriptures you sent me, see them for what they are, see the context around them, keep the results to yourself, I don’t need them, and you John, the references you suggest, don’t even involve the office of the prophet… The devil is successful in your lives, he has stolen, is killing and now destroying, he has you in the most dangerous place he can, you think yuo got a handle on the scriptures, you can now mislead, tear down and attack the kingdom… you are being played… the puppetmaster has all his strings attached to you, I have been warning you, kind to you to see of you can see the truth, but its like a page out of the Final Quest, such vomit spewed from the evil spirits, and such blindness to think it is gods blessings…  its me

one last item here, i have repeatedly stated that this had nothing to do with Tom (except for what you make of it) and more to do with your attitude towards the body, I have repeadetdly stated that I am not and will not nor do I need to defend Tom, that you need to take your issues with him to him, as scripture guides, he is a brother whether you like it or not and its no excuse not to go and do what is right, there is no justification for getting off the hook for doiung what is right by looking at my faults, nice attempts, but it shows your decietful hearts, hanging on to your falseness, not understanding that having a log in your own eye doesn’t mean that you don’t have one if you are not doing the exact same thing as the other guy as Tommy suggested, sin is sin, and the reference is, clean up your own life, that is your log… such quickness of tongue, such impatience and inexperience, and that is not measured by years as mucha s it it by applied understanding, guys study for 40 years and still spew the same idealism of scriptrue that you two do instead of seekignt he truth and understanding, Tom has fed thousands, healed, filled needs, spent years in third world countries, he does not live extravegantly, unlike Benny Hinn who books 30,000 dollar a night hotel rooms, Tom stays in peoples homes, has no vehicle, no fancy anything, no private jet, and clears hsi bank account every single month, he is a good man, looking for truth, seeking the truth and seeking YHVH daily, he inspires, leads, corrects when guided to correct, he is not so arrogant to place himself on a pedastool as you cliam, you have clearly mistaken confidence for arrogance, easy to do when all you do is attack, continue down this path, not seeing the good in any man, nor myself, and you will be sorely greived…  its me

Here’s a passage that reminds me of this situation (and I didn’t find it by doing a word search)…

Act 16:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
Act 16:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

This woman was not re-iterating the message that Paul was preaching… she was taunting and mocking them. Does this sound familiar “It’s me”? It kind of sounds like what is going on here…

With every word you post here you are proving yourself to be a brother of Tom Deckard… you are showing forth the works of your father (John 8:44). It would seem that someone that has studied the scripture for 40 years, and as rubbed shoulders with the big names of “Christianity” would know how to deal with someone in love…. or…. maybe you’ve been chasing a “false Christianity” all these years.

I would LOVE the opportunity to meet you face to face and discuss your error…. the next time you are in the Fenton, MO area with Joyce Meyer… contact me, maybe we can have coffee and discuss the detriment Tom Deckard is having on weak-Christians’ faith.

Better yet… until then, let’s have a discussion here http://www.swordforums.net/viewtopic.php?p=238#238

You’re welcome to post your blather there, and stop flooding this blog with endless rantings about Tommy and I posting relevant scripture.

Hope to see ya’ there…..

John  jhardin

why do you take such defense, I wonder, you make such insulting accusations, you abviusly dont’ read what i write for you have horribly reiterated inaccurate points, and yet are still trying to tie me to Tom as a defender, when that is not evne the point and hasn’t been the point since I first commented… your sarcasm and plagerism is a tempt of offense, your heart and attitude towards me is clearly misaligned, why do you have so much to prove??? You will not listen, you have not listened, you can’t even read a little higher up on the page to quote myself properly back to me, how then do you expect ot engage a proper conversation when you’re so arrogant as to, first take offence, second, not even take the time to read and understand my comments, third, throw very nasty insults and insuations and fourth, clearly push your own agenda, meet face to face, how about do it with Tom first, and relevant scriptures, there is not enough time to explain all the misquoted taken out of context versus, nor does it deem the effort be taken as your heart and motives are clearly your own… this unfortunately must end, you take offence where none is to be taken, you insult very rashly, you don’t care to read or try to understand my point of view, you choose time and time again ways to cop out fo addressing Tom like a man, like scripture says, you’re heart is hard, again, I reiterate, do not attempt to reiterate scriptures, excuses or more, you are free to comment as you may, tear me down, and raise yourself up as it suits you best, but please do not address me unitl you address your own issues with Tom, face to face, with integrity, I’m sure you know how to search his website out, initiate contact, get a phone number and call, set up a meeting, your homes aren’t too far apart… no more excuses, and no more trying to make this about me and you, its about you, Tom and YHVH, deal with it, Tommy, John, if I truly wrongfully offended thee, I extend an apology, (by the way my mom use to work for Joyce Meyers in MO, thanx for the invite though, they keep offering her a job still) none the less, I will ask one more time, please, stop bashing the body of christ, stop justifying your behaviour, judging and declaring what you deem is right in your own eyes, twisitng scriptures and so much more, you don’t know the men you attack… your influence over others is going to cause you great pain, please refrain, repent so that YHVH may have mercy on you… let me know when you finally address Tom… then we will talk…  its me

The truthfulness of my statements are evident to those who have the discernment to understand, and I have no doubt that my statements here are accepted by those who are sensitive to the Holy Spirit… For those who are not being led by the Holy Spirit, I pray that my statements here will serve to enlighten them to seek God through Jesus Christ.

I don’t have any desire to ban anyone from posting here… and your posts are as welcome as anyone’s. I would like to ask you to stop flooding the comments with posts of such prolix. It is very hard to read… and it is hard to respond to. Thanks.

You have made your point concerning what I am doing here on this site… I understand what you are saying, and if a brother offends me… I have no problem going to them and confronting them with their error. The problem is, I don’t know that Tom Deckard is even a Christian (I have pointed that out already).

You started out in your first post (April 3rd) on this site with an antagonistic attitude by claiming that I was hosting this site for selfish gain…

“Lets encourage each other instead of putting others down for your own attention, profit, gain, pride or whtever it may be…”

In that same post you defended Tom Deckard with this statement…

“If he is YHVH’s anointed, and none of his prophecies have fallen to the ground, then careful to those of you who have so quickly, and dare i say arrogantly judged, “

No, I did not arrogantly judge… but I did confidently judge by the truth that is revealed to me by the Holy Spirit, and by the authority of the Word of God. But you had the audacity to tell me to “zip the lip”…

“i hope u find truth in scripture from what i’ve shared and zip the lip as to not go any further…”

Sir, your arrogance is causing you to make accusations and warnings that will bring judgment on yourself. I would like to exhort you to stop spewing out your pride…. You will never accomplish anything with pride except to hinder God’s work, and if all your going to be is a hindrance to God’s work He might take you out of the way for your own benefit.

John  jhardin

Dear John, and readers of this post, I turst you can see that there is no understanding grace or love in words shared here today, I made a simple request and it was ignored, I will make it again, please, until you do what is right, go to those you have ought with, stop, just stop, play on the side of caution and assume for now Tom is a brother, (and he is, but for some reason you agian choose to dismiss this, one can only assume it is due tot the fact that you never had the intention of doing right, i beg to differ, give a chance aof hope), and if he is not a brother as you say, IS NOT THE GREAT COMMISSION to reach out… but you won’t do that, it destroys what you stand for, continual bashing of the body, you’re shooting at your own army, and ban me from here, feel free, please, because no matter how much evidence and no matter how many leaders, pastors, ministers, apostles prophets missionaries and more you put on here, I will not join you in tearing them down, whether or not YHVH lifted them up, do not pray for me, again, I am making this request, whatever spirit dirves you to twist even my own quotes (again taken out of context) I want nothing to do with it, I came with hope that you would listen, but you still insist that it is your way, or the highway as you now threaten me more, you have many things to learn, but a closed heart to learning, this is the end for me, I will not engage you again after today, you have my word, I will not reapply as another name in trickery or anything else, I mean what I say, so bash me, lable me with idle threats, call me more names, threaten me more by saying god will take me out, but do not pray for me nor speak or address me anymore, this is your kingdom, you’ve mde that clear, you rule and reign here, your views, your way, don’t disagree or else, point taken, but know this, I reached out to you, for a reason, we all have things to learn, we all need to grow in love, these trading of comments should open your heart some, to cause you to look inward, even if just for a glimpse, do what is right, seek love, you are forgiven for the threats, the comments and the disrespect, I leave these things here, I will not take them with me, I already offered my apology if I have offended thee, in the last post, do with it what you may, but it is still there, I do not apologize for the truth, just the delivery, may peace fill my heart as I go…  its me

“It’s me”… I already stated that although I am the owner of this site, it is not my desire to ban anyone… everyone’s comments are welcome, and that includes you… regardless of whether or not they are in agreement with me.

I appreciate your concern for what you feel I have done wrong, I have considered your reproof… and I have posted my defense in response to that reproof. I have not written anything here or the dozens of other articles that I have written for other publications out of my own understanding or authority. What I have written, I have written from the knowledge and understanding given to me through the Holy Spirit and the Word of God… and the truths that I have written here stand on the authority of the that Word of God.

I realize that truth… when it is spoken (or written) doesn’t compare to the sensationalism that Tom Deckard and others display in their “ministries”; but the spiritual effect that the preaching of the Word of God has in the lives of individuals is something that the likes of Tom Deckard’s sensationalism could never accomplish.

Christians who seek sensationalism, and those (like Tom Deckard) who are “sensational”; are typically immature Christians who have little or no concept of spiritual things… but can only manage to liken emotionalism and sensationalism to what they believe to be “spirituality”. Events that promote emotionalism and sensationalism to Christians under the guise of spirituality are only serving to enable those Christians’ immaturity and further damage the cause of Christ.

“It’s me” is a prime example of an “immature” Christian, bent on sensationalism… and who has given no evidence of spiritual fruit here. This is obvious by his lack of self control, and his persistent defense of the sensationalism that he embraces as spirituality.

I understand that what I say here is hard to hear for some… but I WILL NOT cease to say what needs to be said about this growing problem in Christianity.

John  jhardin

You know, I too have received visions and miraculous interventions from beyond. But it’s still the fact that I can’t make it as a Christian. I’ve received some pretty nasty insults and false accusations from fundamentalist Christians. I struggle to hang on. But I’m an honest man who searches for truth. I’m find your website an interesting one. I’ve just started my own website in a Microsoft system. I will undoubtedly be making some critiques of your critiques.

Sincerely, Gene  Gene

Gene,

I went to your website… and all I can say is “Wow”.

Are you some kind of Neo-Nazi or something? Anyone who would defend slavery as you have, has no business attempting to critique Biblical Apologetics. You have apparently missed the fundamental truth of individual liberty.

I hope you take up the challenge to critique my “critiques”… maybe it will force you to read, study, and consider Biblical truths.

John  jhardin

As far as it’s me’s backwards diatribe I don’t even know where to begin. I may or may not tackle it depending on whether or not I think other people reading this are going to in any way be swayed to any of that convolusion. I also see that the argument has appeared to end so I don’t want to keep stirring the pot, so I may just leave it be unless it revives.

And as far as Gene is concerned, while I agree that the government has no right to tell people how to think and how to behave as long as it doesn’t impede others’ life and pursuit of happiness, I don’t think racial segregation is good. And I also agree that it should be an individual choice. But race is practically a myth and an illusion. Today’s concept of race is very different than it was in ancient times. What we call ethnicity today is closer to what they may have meant by race. Meaning, today a german and swede may be considered the same caucasoid race, but it wasn’t so always. The celts would look at a romans as another race, and so on. You subscribe to someone’s concept of race because you choose to. It is not fact. I hate the idea many people have that everyone should mix and create “one people”. For me, if I go to Germany I want to see that culture and phenotype, same if I go to China, South Africa or wherever. I like the variety and I think it’s great. It would break my heart to see my ethnicity and culture of my ancestors disappear because of an inlfux of way too many immigrants. I also dislike it because this idea to make everyone one reminds me of Babylon. I enjoy the variety in the world. But that is basically it. There is no such thing as race. And the relatively odd “inter-racial” marriage and offspring is not likely to wipe anyone off the map.

As far as slavery is concerned. If I’m not mistaken, the slavery referred to in the Bible that you mention on your page, where the master should treat the slave kindly and all that, is closer to what we would call servitude and not necessarily the type of slavery most people envision when they hear that word, like the movie Roots or something.

There may be some truths peppered in your writings but I have found most of it to be a counterfeit of the truth and and really sad.

You also mention your kingdom. No wonder you “can’t make it as a Christian”. I don’t know about you but I want to be in the Kingdom of the Lord. Not my own.

Even if it’s true that you receive visions, dreams or “miraculous” interventions, sometimes those things can come from “the other one”.

Please, you tell us. What happens when you have visions? What happens to you physically and how do you see your visions?

According to Tom Deckard he turns into an obnoxious loud-mouth. That’s just great. But what about you? And what visions have you seen and what miraculous things have you had happen and what were the circumstances?

Thanks.  Tommy

I’d also like to add, Gene, that I honestly cannot disagree with everything you are saying on your blog. But, I believe that if people come to the Lord those people will change and racial problems for those people will stop. If there were no Creator, just to imgaine for a second, then there would be no hope and I understand why some people fell the way you do. But all these things are solved in Yeshua Christ. It’s okay to talk about those things, sure, but your hope and faith needs to be in Him, because from Him comes peace.

And once again as far as not making it as a Christian, you only need acceptance from the one true Creator through His Son. Don’t concern yourself too much with what some oethers might think of you, but you go on your walk with Him yourself.

But I still don’t agree with you on the slavery thing and I’d still like to know about your visions.  Tommy

I don’t believe in Tom Deckard. There has been too much water that has passed under the bridge and if I cross over the bridge I will not be able to come back if the water doesn’t recede.

I believe that when Jesus came and died on the cross that he fulfilled the need for prophets based on scriptures that I have read as well as things I have heard.

Jeremiah 23:31 “Behold, I am against the prophets,” declares the LORD, “who use their tongues and declare, ‘The Lord declares.’

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

2 Peter 2:1-4 1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. 4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment.

Matthew 24:24 “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

Luke 24:44 Now He said to them, ” These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

John 8:53 “Surely You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; whom do You make Yourself out to be?”

2 Peter 3:3 3Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts.

A great book about this is “The Truth War” by John MacArthur. However I know that I will still get to heaven by not following anyone that calls themselves Prophets and I know I can go to hell by believing in False Prophets. I believe the scripture that says put your faith in no man but God alone. Also I have heard Tom say that you can become sinless but this scripture clearly states we cannot be. I have heard him say “It may take years but when you become sinless you will see the angels of God like me.” 1 John 1:8 8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. Ecclesiastes 7:20 Indeed, there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins.

I have heard his wife state that he doesn’t recommend that you listen to anyone else but Tom alone so that you don’t get confused on who gave what prophesy. I believe they don’t want you to go anywhere else so you don’t get the word that could contradict his teachings. Even the Devil can speak things that can come to pass. I know he said you have to keep the Sabbath by lighting candles and saying prayers and ECT…(the Jewish way) and if you don’t you will die when the bird flu comes. Galatians 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified. He had said if anyone ever says his is not a Prophet of God you will die. I have heard him say that you should not go to church instead you should stay home and read your bible because you will get more out of it then going to church. So what does this scripture mean then?

Matthew 18:20 “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.” What did Jesus come to fulfill then? Matthew 18:20 “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.” Tom said that you should keep all the festivals and laws of the Old Testament but not in the same way. You don’t sacrifice anymore. However Jesus came and fulfilled the law so why do we still need to keep it? What did Jesus accomplish besides forgiveness for our sins according to Tom? We need to keep the Sabbath by remembering that Jesus died on the cross to fulfill the laws and for forgiveness of our sins. Not weekly. Also when you go to his quarterly meetings (on his website) the whole congregation talks in tongues and this scripture says 1 Corinthians 14:23 Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad? So that is why we are to go into our closet, close the door and pray according to the bible. I was wondering how Its Me knows that Tom empties his bank account unless they 1) either live with Tom, 2) is Toms accountant or 3) is Tom. It’s me keeps saying they are not defending Tom however they are saying anything negative only positive. I believe and have proven that he is not teaching the word correctly. I have heard him contradict what is in my Bible and my Bible is the only true word of God and I will take that over Tom any day. I prefer to do without people that contradict the Bible and read the true word instead.

I don’t necessarily think that jhardin is influencing anyone I think that people have the right to their own opinion and if that opinion doesn’t agree with it’s me then its me gets offended. We just have our eyes open wide its me don’t get offended. Its me I will pray for you that your eyes open and that some day you will see the truth. God Bless everyone and please know we are all just trying to get the correct word out and not offend anyone. Even Jesus told the people in his day when they were doing things wrong and it didn’t mean he was offending them just telling them the truth. I could tell you a lot more things I have heard wrong but I think you got the idea.  wide open eyes

Thank you “wide open eyes” for your comment.

I actually had the same thought about “It’s Me” while we were debating (see the bolded statement above). He seems like he knows Tom Deckard better than just a “follower” of his. And the name “It’s Me” would seem to indicate that “It’s Him… (Tom Deckard).

That wouldn’t be the first time that I wrote an article about a false teacher and the particular person that I wrote about answered the article (see the article about Victor Claveau).

Thanks again for your comments, and your insight.

John  jhardin

I have four DVDs by Tom Deckard and I may transfer them to my hard drive and upload them somewhere so that others can see him in error but my worry is that it might also affect someone negatively or gain him a new follower. I’ll have to think about it.

I don’t know if it’s me is Tom Deckard or not. It may just be someone who didn’t want to post their name so just says “it’s me”. But, you never know.

It’s me has a twisted logic like false teachers exhibit. I hope and pray that it’s me has their eyes opened and can come away from the “christian” trap he/she is in.  Tommy

You can upload files to this website. I will make sure you have those privileges Tommy. You can handle the uploads from your user dashboard.

John  jhardin

Okay thank you John. Video files can get pretty big though so it is probably a good idea to take advantage of sites like Google video, which is free, for these large file. Not only for the space they take up but also because of bandwidth and that can get expensive fo you, John.

I’m still getting used to the editor and I’m not sure how to change font colors or if it’s possible. Even when I use the html editor by hand it doesn’t seem to allow all html tags.

But thanks for giving me permission to upload files. It will come in useful for images at least and *maybe* some very tiny video clips it will come in handy. I just don’t want the site not to load one day because you’ve exceeded your bandwidth limit for the month.  Tommy

Thanks Brother. I appreciate that.

As for the editor, you can edit the html of the article you are creating by switching to “html” view. You can do that by clicking on the “html” button on the top of the editor.

To switch colors you can use simple html tag like the font color tag and after color type =”#000FF”. That hexidecimal color is blue, for red the hex color is “#FF0000″. Make sure to close the tag with and type the text you want to change color for inside the opening and closing tags. Any other color you want to use you would just have to use a image editor to find the hex name. I use Microsoft Image Composer to find just the right color and use the above tag to insert it.

Sorry, that’s the only way I know to do it.
John   jhardin

Thanks, John. Yea that’s what I did – I used the html editor but it doesn’t save certain changes I make to it. Html isn’t really a problem for me. The font tag is one that it rejects, at least when I try it. It could be my browser. Maybe I’ll try a different one and see what happens.

I like the new look, but I’ve noticed that in comments paragraphs, although they break starting on a new line, don’t have a space between them.  Tommy

I have been trying some new themes. This one has a pretty good look to it I thought. But I didn’t even notice the comments paragraph thing until you mentioned it… it does make it a little hard to read.
I’m still looking in case I find one that I like better. Once I find a good look I would like to keep it forever so everyone knows where they are at. If you’d like to make a suggestion, the available themes are here..

http://themes.wordpress.net/

John  jhardin

Hello Saints

This is Ryan (Jacob Joseph) I have read the different postings that people have written, and I believe some people that have written comments are sincere in wanting the truth and seeking the Lord, but others are in pride. I agree with Dan Catlin, who pastors, and host’s messiah’s branch. Prophet Tom Deckard is true, and has been given the authority of a prophet. It is given, by the Spirit of the Lord, not by our knowledge, or ability, but given by the Spirit of the Lord. Most of the things spoken by Prophet Deckard have been warnings about America, and how this nation will be judged. As a christian, and brother, I am taking serious heed to the things preached by Prophet Deckard. It seems like the Christians that are receiving the warnings, not only by Prophet Deeckard, but other men like David Wilkerson, and other ministers that are truly hearing from the Lord are serious about there walk with Jesus, and want to abide more in him, than the things of this world. Those who are not in agreement with these messages, seem like they do not want to repent and turn people away from their sins, and are still in love with the world and the things of this world. There is a correlation with all of the men that are leading people in the right relationship with the Lord Jesus, such men like Prophet Deckard, and David Wilkerson, and his minsitry in New York City, and others too, that are not even known by the public. This nation is full of pride. True men and women that are truly living in the Glory of Christ, are truly light in this darkneded society. Brothers and sisters, the accusations againts the true are not going to get any better. The same way they treated Jesus and called him false, they will call the true men and women of Lord false in these times as well. But when the works of Christ are demonstrated. When the blind see, and the dead are raised, and the lame walk, and the mute speak, then people will not be able to speak anything evil. Just like when Peter and John healed the crippled man, through power and grace of the Holy Spirit, the pharisees could not say anything. I am just encouraging every christian reading this to please examine your own heart. I have to do the same thing. Am I walking with Jesus, am I in his prescence. If we are in his Spirit, (not our own knowledge of the scriptures) then we will know the truth and the truth will set us free. All of these men Like Prophet Deckard are giving these warnings about the fall of America, and it is only by the true witness of the Holy Spirit we will know this, so we all need to pray and ask, and really start abiding in our Lord Jesus, and ask for his mercy and help, for the days to come.

In Christ

Ryan  Ryan

I humbly submit that everyone in this discussion is missing the point. The point is, the edict from God for this time, is for every person to stop obeying the voice of their carnal mind. All God’s prophets should be spreading this message. Because Deckard is not, then therefore, he is disobeying (or not hearing God on this matter), and God is working on him to bring him back into alignment with what mr. Deckard should be doing.

so the problem is not so much whether Deckard is called to be a prophet, but whether he is in obedience at THIS TIME, OR NOT.

Listening to and obeying the carnal mind’s voice is enmity with God. So if prophet Deckard is prophesying out of his own flesh then he is leading the body of Christ astray. He needs to be corrected by someone who is obeying God’s voice, whom he either respects or gets the grace from God to receive the admonition.

ALL the Christian internet broadcasters who are putting Deckard forth as a prophet are also responsible for their part in obeying the voice of their own carnal minds, in that, they have not received the discernment that tells them that Deckard is, right now, out of line. So they are enablers: thats messiah’s branch, watchman radio, stan johnson’s show, etc.

It has already come out from other believers whom God has taught about the carnal mind being the problem with His People – now it is up to us to spread this timely word of warning to every person.

So we must pray for the prophets that are out of line, that God reveals to them where they are obeying the carnal mind. the carnal mind speaks as a separate mind from our own mind, and it lies 100% of the time. it is the obeying the carnal mind that is destroying our walk in Christ.

this truth about the carnal mind is the centerpiece of the preaching of the gospel of the Kingdom of God in these last days, bar none! it is the carnal mind in man that God consumes with the fire of His breath (Word of truth). How much of the real you will be left over when your carnal mind is consumed? the more you have agreed with and obeyed your carnal mind, the more you have made it your LORD… I hope this is clear. This carnal mind in man is the thorn in the flesh that Paul the apostle was so upset about, and is the antichrist, and has, therefore, been ALREADY REVEALED, since 2006.

did Deckard tell us that? no. why? because he is in disobedience! now pray for him, and stop fussing about whether he is a prophet or not!

thank you
nada  ladynada

Hi, LadyNada
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I humbly submit that everyone in this discussion is missing the point. The point is, the edict from God for this time, is for every person to stop obeying the voice of their carnal mind. All God’s prophets should be spreading this message. Because Deckard is not, then therefore, he is disobeying (or not hearing God on this matter), and God is working on him to bring him back into alignment with what mr. Deckard should be doing.
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But how do you know that he is a real prophet of God?
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so the problem is not so much whether Deckard is called to be a prophet, but whether he is in obedience at THIS TIME, OR NOT.
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I think that whether or not Tom Deckard is called to be a prophet does matter. Isn’t there a difference between a real prophet who has fallen away and one who is knowingly a false prophet? One that can be determined then whatever appropriate action may be taken.
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Listening to and obeying the carnal mind’s voice is enmity with God. So if prophet Deckard is prophesying out of his own flesh then he is leading the body of Christ astray. He needs to be corrected by someone who is obeying God’s voice, whom he either respects or gets the grace from God to receive the admonition.
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And this article doesn’t, in some way, possibly lead to Tom Deckard’s iffy statements being corrected?
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ALL the Christian internet broadcasters who are putting Deckard forth as a prophet are also responsible for their part in obeying the voice of their own carnal minds, in that, they have not received the discernment that tells them that Deckard is, right now, out of line. So they are enablers: thats messiah’s branch, watchman radio, stan johnson’s show, etc.
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Yes, that could be. And it could also be that some Christian broadcasters are very in line with what Tom Deckard says, either by deception or they encourage people like Tom Deckard purposely to mislead.
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It has already come out from other believers whom God has taught about the carnal mind being the problem with His People – now it is up to us to spread this timely word of warning to every person.
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I agree that the carnal mind is a problem, but it isn’t the only one. How do you know that his teachings are of a carnal mind that has come about from a slow falling away or that it is intentional and conscious?
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So we must pray for the prophets that are out of line, that God reveals to them where they are obeying the carnal mind. the carnal mind speaks as a separate mind from our own mind, and it lies 100% of the time. it is the obeying the carnal mind that is destroying our walk in Christ.
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I agree. But like I said it isn’t always a carnal mind but deception coming from an outside source.
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this truth about the carnal mind is the centerpiece of the preaching of the gospel of the Kingdom of God in these last days, bar none! it is the carnal mind in man that God consumes with the fire of His breath (Word of truth). How much of the real you will be left over when your carnal mind is consumed? the more you have agreed with and obeyed your carnal mind, the more you have made it your LORD… I hope this is clear. This carnal mind in man is the thorn in the flesh that Paul the apostle was so upset about, and is the antichrist, and has, therefore, been ALREADY REVEALED, since 2006.
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What came about in 2006? You lost me. Would you please elaborate?
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did Deckard tell us that? no. why? because he is in disobedience! now pray for him, and stop fussing about whether he is a prophet or not!
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Okay. I get that you are really a believer in falling away because of a carnal mind. That has been established many times by you.
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But you are asking to stop questioning whether he is a real prophet or not. Why? Based on what you are saying, you are implying that he is a prophet and want us to stop questioning it. How do you know and why do you want us to stop questioning it so much?
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It’s clear you think he is a real prophet. Tell us why.
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It seems your problem with Deckard is that he has failed to tell us that submitting to the carnal mind is the real big thing that is deceiving Christians in these last days. But you are ignoring all of his iffy and false statements. That makes me real curious.
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thank you
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Thanks.  Tommy

Hi Tommy, and all,

Yes, I was taking as a given that Deckard is called to be a prophet. I based that on his own testimony. To answer your questions, I believe that he is deceived by his carnal mind, and I do not believe that it is in consciously intentional on his part or the part of the broadcasters that promote him (and heavily at that). If he is listening to demonic voices, he is still deceived. Yes I agree that he _could_ be listening to demonic voices and intentionally misleading the church, but I do not think that Deckard is doing that.

Which is why I keep harping on this carnal mind problem, because the bottom line result is the same as listening to demons and promoting satanic agendas to the church! Yikes! and from sincere believers who do love the Lord and desire to follow Christ. So we need to pray for each other instead of letting our own carnal minds drag us into a ‘witch hunt’ to satisfy its PRIDE.
in other words, let us check our selves too!

sincerely,
nada  ladynada

Hi, Lady Nada
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I have also heard his testimony and to me there are things he says that do not start out correctly from the beginning of it. So, if that’s true, he didn’t just get deceived some time after the fact but was deceived from early on or his whole story is bogus and he knows it.
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I don’t know what his deal is and I’m not ready to say for certain whether he’s a true prophet or not, but if I had to give a yes or no answer I would err on the side of caution and say no based on what I’ve heard him saying. And I’m not just talking about sensationalism like John points out but things like saying hat “Jesus is okay and all (shrugging it off – I also saw his body language since what I have seen is video. I have never heard one of his radio interviews) but the real power is with the angels!” – sounds blasphemous to me.
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I don’t think anyone here is technically on a witch hunt. If we get very zealous it’s because we believe in what we are doing. I have mentioned Deckard in my prayers before.
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I intend to upload at least one of the four Tom Deckard DVDs I have so that people can see for themselves. I just need to fix my computer up and make room because converting a DVD to DivX takes more space than I have available at the moment.
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I can appreciate what you are saying about the carnal mind but I also think it’s a little presumptuous to basically say that our carnal minds are causing us to go on a witch hunt exposing false doctrine to boost our egos so that we can feel proud that we are catching people – well, I actually do feel a sense of satisfaction when I expose something I know is false, but I wouldn’t equate it with what you are describing. I don’t see any evidence that suggests and that would lead someone to believe that we are just merciless witch hunters.
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Maybe just saying that it is also necessary to pray for these people and not just expose them would have been more accurate.
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But I appreciate your comments and do think we should pray for them. Thanks for sharing them.
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(The blog acts weird sometimes – I tried to edit my previous comment but it won’t let me. It usually does. So I’m reposting – I had a few other extra things I needed to throw in. If you read this, John, maybe you can delete my post just before this one)  Tommy

By the way, I’m subscribed to Tom Deckard’s newsletter and this just happened to come in, in case anyone is interested. It’s about Russia pretending to want to become a democracy. I don’t understand what the big hoopla is when everyone screams about wanting democracy. The USA is supposed to be a republic not a democracy. So, shouldn’t Russia be pretending to want a republic? He claims it was a vision.
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THE BEAR ( RUSSIA)
HAS HEALED By Prophet T. E. Deckard
…Tell America that we have now have been surrounded by our enemies…
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The Prophet has wrote an article click the link below to read .
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Tommy, I appreciate your attitude in your comments and what you have said. It is right to expose the false prophets. Ironically, the only way to know for sure is to ask God, and to get an answer we must ask God to teach us to hear His Voice, and teach us how to receive His confirmations and revelations, etc. Then we can speak with authority, His Words, and be more effective in helping the brethren when pointing out the false prophets.

Maybe for me, it is that I believe that Deckard believes he is a prophet, and I am hoping that he gets on the right track with God. So maybe my bias is in there in my assessment! Who else is out there? We know the tv prophets are phony. Deckard is the most high profile prophet in the so-called underground/remnant church scene. So, my hope was, pray for him, and God can draw him back into alignment with his own destiny, and then he can prophesy to us truthfully.

Better still… pray for God to raise up His true prophets eh?!

LOL

I guess I have a soft spot in my heart for Deckard; thats what it is.

nada  ladynada

re: Deckard’s newsletter

A prime example of the problem. His focus is on stuff that is not important to the body; that is certainly fleshly interests.

oh God we need true prophets!

nada  ladynada

Hi Ladynada,
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Thanks for your participation here. You’re right, Tom Deckards “prophecies” seem to focus on things that are not relevant to the Body of Christ, or are not spiritually edifying.
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This is what leads me to believe that his ministry is sensationalism and not a sincere desire to exhort Christians… and what would be the purpose of sensationalism? I say his ministry is more than likely selfishness and pride… which makes a ripe breeding ground for Satan’s devices.
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Whether Tom Deckard is knowingly leading Christians astray or not… I can’t say, all I can say is what the Apostle Paul says about men like him…
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“2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”
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John  jhardin

I agree with you John. I believe the Lord does this to us when we are backslidden; he allows us to dig ourselves deeper and deeper into doo-doo so that when we finally realize it, we can do a big repent and He can bless with 7 times what we lost. This is why I keep praying for Deckard and another Bible teacher I used to listen to, who is also unknowingly drifting away. He read a debkafile article on his broadcast last week, whereas a year before he would caution his listeners about debka and only read the headline and comment on his take on the contents or salient points important to us.

we can not allow ourselves to focus on the moves of the Beast, instead of God’s moves in His Kingdom, of which we are now already citizens.

God Bless Us,
nada
p.s. Just yesterday I was bemoaning.. are these our heroes Lord? I monitor several websites and internet broadcasters and they are all focusing on temporal stuff. It is frustrating, but I see that these ARE our heroes, so we need to pray for them all the more that they would turn to Hear His Voice, and allow Him to order their steps… else ask the Lord to raise up new ones for us. I believe we will always have leader types and followers, even in the Kingdom there is an order of rulership and leadership.

Where are our leaders and heroes and heroines??

Thank You Jesus, we will see and hear from them soon!

nada  ladynada

I could build a list of complaints against any preacher. I guard my spirit and who I allow to “feed” it. Yes, Brother Deckard’s personality is strong, some would say dominating; he proclaims his past “accomplishments” boisterously. It raises some concerns.

However, as I examine his message, I find nothing doctrinely incorrect, considering AoG / Penticostal / Charasmatic backgrounds. Other “prophets” spend a lot of time proclaiming and analysing their latest visions. Some really raise red flags in my spirit. Deckard’s is primarily a message of repentance taught from God’s word and a call to return to the practices of the 1st century church with a prophetic urgency.

I’ve seem God work in my life, guiding me through life events. Seven years ago I was introduced to Messianic praise music. I few years later I learned of the unfortunate side of the Council of Nicea where the Feasts were outlawed and we (Gentiles) separed from the Jewish roots of the faith, planting the seeds of centuries of anti-semitism. 18 months ago I got out those Messianic CD’s and haven’t been able to put them down, to the extent I sensed God in it. My heart was in Israel during last year’s war so deeply I cried out to God: “Why this desire to be there? I’m not Jewish?” A month or so later I discovered the Hebrew translation of my mother’s maiden name after 120 years in the US church. Early this year I was introduced, out of the blue, to Deckard’s teachings on Ephraim. Goes this make him “God’s messenger?” Not in itself, but his teaching is consistent with what I have learned from other sources. Considering this chain of events, I will give him the benefit of the doubt, keeping my eyes open and measuring his teachings against God’s word. Look at Iran; we ARE entering into the “Last Days” events and God will be revealing His secrets sealed thousands of years ago and He just might be using Brother Deckard to pour some new wine into His wine skins. At this point, I have seen nothing in his message identifying him as “false” and choose to stand with him in the dialog.  RCZ

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:26-28  Jay

Ok, It does seem like New agers stuff like transendental consciousness, but New agers do not fast to going into their trance or whatever they do it is in forms of what Eastern religion calls mantras and mind control mediation techniques. I was in Eastern relgion and God delievered me.The Prophet fasts. Christ said we ought to FAST & Pray. And who knows what the Prophets of Old were seeking when God came to them. they could have been fasting. But certainly you are not powerful enough to go back 3000 years that you are a scholar about anything Jewish. When Christ fast Forty Day and Forty night in the desert to be tempted of Satan. Because what he had to endure only fasting in the spiritual realm can we truely have power to overcome the hordes of hell in this physical world. We wrestle not agains flesh and blood. Thats why when The discples could not cast the demon out of the man because Christ Said this needed to be down with fasting or do you judge and error in the scriptures yourself. Idiot! Shalom, Karla  k

Thanks Karla,
No, I don’t think I am judging in error, and I don’t think I err in the scriptures either.
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I would like for you to ask yourself; Why did God command us to fast? Was it to behave like the pagan religions who mutilate their bodies to invoke power from Baal? Or was it for getting God’s attention, like the pagan worshipers did?
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The answer is neither, fasting is for our benefit. The only thing that keeps us from perfect communion with God spiritually is our desire to fulfill the lusts of our flesh. Fasting is an act of discipline to bring our bodies under subjection and make communing with God easier. Fasting itself is not a mystical spiritual act, but the after effects of fasting are most definitely spiritual for a believer who is honestly seeking God.
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The way Tom Deckard glorifies fasting as a method of invoking God’s power resembles the pagan method of invoking their god, and it comes dangerously close to transcendental meditation.
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John  jhardin

I feel that all of you have some points of interest, but since none of us is perfect, only Yashua, none, that includes you and me, are perfect. Judge the fruit, not the man. If his prophesies are 100% accurate, then judge that as good fruit. Is Tom Deckard perfect of course not. Are his prophesies accurate-YES!!! A study of the old and new testiment prophets will show us that those in the office of the prophet were very different individuals. Since when does God use only perfect vessels. None of us is perfect. God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. I’m not saying they are foolish, but seem so to us at times. As far as angels, why not angels. I do however know that God gives us gifts each individually as He wills. None of us are carbon copies of each other, though many in ministry try to copy famous preachers and prophets styles, God uses each of us individually.

As for angles, they aren’t passive either. What about Jacob wrestling the angel who touched his thigh and from that day on he walked with a limp.

I also see that many ministries believe the bible to be the enfalable word of God, but don’t agree on everything. Example the pre-trib rapture.

If a prophet is sounding a warning to prepare your hearts before God in repentance and prayer and fasting, is that wrong, I think not! God does nothing unless He reveals it first through the prophets and that is a warning.

He warns us to pray and fast and seek God for our personal direction and I agree! He tells us to prepare for a pandemic and famine and disaster, sounds like a good idea to me. One only needs to follow current world events and bible prophesy to see that makes good sense to me. If nothing happens, give to those less fortunate with a cheerful heart. Oh and as a side note, I heard prophet Deckard say that a reason for the preparation is to help others who didn’t know to prepare and come to us for help. We are to be salt and light. How can you preach Jesus and let people go hungry?

The pharasies convicted Jesus wrongly, and the New Testiment prophets, lets all be careful, and prayerful before we cast stones!

By the way, I consider this a word for myself as well! I thank God for every word of correction He may bring me. I thank Him for the chance to repent and learn. This life is a classroom of sorts after all. I’d rather be corrected in this life, even though it stings a bit, than to be corrected when I go before the Judgement Seat of Christ!  savedbygrace

Hi, savedbygrace.

Thanks for your comments. I appreciate your concern for my actions here, but we believe we are led by God to proclaim the truth of God’s word to the world, and to expose those that lie.
I believe Tom Deckard to be less than sincere, and obviously wrong on many points. His errors don’t so much lean toward a misinterpretation of scripture, but they lean toward purposeful lies that intentionally lead believers (and non-believers) away from Christ to trust himself as infallible.
His use of sensationalism is a testament to the intention that I just described.
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John  jhardin

SavedbyGrace

I am very glad that you spoke about Prophet Tom Deckard, and I agree with you. I am in agreement with prayer and fasting, and believe that being seperate from the Spirit of this World is what it comes down to. Most men in Ministries that are seeing the truth and discerning the times we are living in are seperate and there will always be true rightousness that leads people to repentance and that is very few and far between right now. Most Christians are Carnal, and I still have my own issues, but I am thankful for true men, who have true authority in the body of Christ, not the organized church that are true Pastors, teachers, Apostles and Prophets. It’s intresting that most people that are misjudging men like Prophet Deckard are in the world, living for the things of this world, and are flurting. Ministries that are getting the warnings out like Judgment and leading people in the right relationship with the Lord are going to be attacked. Jeremiah was attacked, and those who are truly hearing fronm the Lord and living a holy life like we are commanded and being set apart as saints will be persecuted by those even in the chruch. It is no different now. Just as Jeremiah was a true Prophet, God’s people did not repent, and did not listen, then Judgment came. Prophet Deckard is no different, and the fruits should back it up. The works of Christ should be demonstrated not only in Prophet Deckards ministry, but anybody who is in Authority leading people. The Lord Jesus always backed up what he said from the Father by works demonstrated, so people would believe and recieve the revelation of the Kingdom of God. If someone is truly speaking through the true annointing and true power of the Holy Sprit those words will be life, and demonstrated and convict the heart. Paul said that the Kingdom of God is not in word, but in demonstration and power. I need to be very childlike, and continue to grow, and be humble becuase I am just now learning this. I am at the place where I am learning that I don’t have what I think I had, and being humbled and that is the best thing thatwe depend on the Lord that way, and for the true Body to unify so that there can be strength, becuase there are evil days coming.

Love in Christ

Ryan  Ryan

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Judge the fruit, not the man. If his prophesies are 100% accurate, then judge that as good fruit.
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You can’t judge the fruit and not the man. It is by the fruits that a person is judged. You will know them by their fruits – them who? The person.
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False prophets can be 100% accurate, too. Accurate prophecy alone is not a sign that someone is a prophet of God and the devil can also perform what looks like a miracle. The devil can also say things are going to happen and then make things happen to the best of his ability and his agents will then seem like prophets when they are right. The same way that the devil can afflict someone and make strange things happen and then stop after a Catholic exorcism to make it seem like the Catholic system has power over the devil – it’s a deception.
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Is Tom Deckard perfect of course not. Are his prophesies accurate-YES!!!
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I don’t know that to be true. People can say what they have heard others say and then say it. That doesn’t make them a prophet. I don’t know for a fact that what he said years ago came to pass. I don’t even know that he said those things.
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A study of the old and new testiment prophets will show us that those in the office of the prophet were very different individuals. Since when does God use only perfect vessels.
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Moot point. Everyone can make mistakes, but you can’t keep making them and still be a prophet until you are corrected from your error the same way that no one can be fully blessed by God until they are obedient and close to Him enough. A true prophet needs to meet the standard just like anyone else.
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As for angles, they aren’t passive either. What about Jacob wrestling the angel who touched his thigh and from that day on he walked with a limp.
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Angels are subject to God the same way we are. They have the power that God gives them and the Bible tells us to test the spirits. So, if an angels appears to me I shouldn’t test it because Tom Deckard tells me not to? An angel might kill me because I ask him his name? That doesn’t sound like an angel of God to me and I doubt that God would give an angel the authority to kick your butt or cut you in half with his sword because you ask it its name or something. Jacob would not have wrestled with the angel unless God allowed it. God tested Jacob.
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I also see that many ministries believe the bible to be the enfalable word of God, but don’t agree on everything. Example the pre-trib rapture.
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Sorry, but that sounds like a cop out to me. There are fundamentals that can’t be compromised. I personally don’t believe in the rapture and I think it’s dangerous to believe it, but there are fundamentals that can’t be compromised, so when Tom Deckard says “Jesus is okay and all, but the real power is in the angels” RED FLAG!
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If a prophet is sounding a warning to prepare your hearts before God in repentance and prayer and fasting, is that wrong, I think not! God does nothing unless He reveals it first through the prophets and that is a warning.
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Deception is often very subtle and you really need to ask the Lord for discernment and take all variables into consideration. Jesus said to judge not according to appearance but to judge a righteous judgment – and still I know that can be spun two ways depending on who you are talking to.
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You might tell me to not judge him according to appearance then since I suspect he may be false and I might tell you not to judge him according to appearance because you think he seems a-okay.
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Now, we are not talking about the average person who some might be so arrogant to believe that they know someone’s heart without even knowing the person, but this is supposed to be a prophet and needs to be evaluated according to he Word.
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He warns us to pray and fast and seek God for our personal direction and I agree! He tells us to prepare for a pandemic and famine and disaster, sounds like a good idea to me. One only needs to follow current world events and bible prophesy to see that makes good sense to me.
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He also said to trust in the angels implying they are more powerful than Jesus.
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Lies can be mixed with the truth and things can have the appearance of goodness. You need to look at everything and not just pick out things that seem nice to you. This is supposed to be a prophet of God who gets messages from God, and since there are false prophets who can either lead or mislead, you need to make sure he is a prophet of God or be misled.
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If nothing happens, give to those less fortunate with a cheerful heart. Oh and as a side note, I heard prophet Deckard say that a reason for the preparation is to help others who didn’t know to prepare and come to us for help. We are to be salt and light. How can you preach Jesus and let people go hungry?
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How can you feed people and preach a false Jesus? That’s almost like apples and oranges the way you deflect from judging whether or not he is a real prophet to all of a sudden make it about feeding the hungry.
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The pharasies convicted Jesus wrongly, and the New Testiment prophets, lets all be careful, and prayerful before we cast stones!
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Jesus also rebuked the pharisees for prancing about with an appearance of righteousnous, maybe that is the case here and not the reverse.
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By the way, I consider this a word for myself as well! I thank God for every word of correction He may bring me. I thank Him for the chance to repent and learn. This life is a classroom of sorts after all. I’d rather be corrected in this life, even though it stings a bit, than to be corrected when I go before the Judgement Seat of Christ!
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I hope you do learn and I hope I keep learning also. But today, I don’t believe I learned anything and I’m glad I had the chance to reply to your post so that you could get something out of it.
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I don’t know for sure whether Tom Deckard started out okay and changed or if he was always been this way. I think he may think he is sincere and just doesn’t realize he’s being duped by the devil. Same goes for the Prophecy Club. Lately it has an aura that makes me uncomfortable. Let’s pray for them and ourselves and for eachother/
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Thanks.  Tommy

Ryan:
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It’s intresting that most people that are misjudging men like Prophet Deckard are in the world, living for the things of this world, and are flurting. Ministries that are getting the warnings out like Judgment and leading people in the right relationship with the Lord are going to be attacked. Jeremiah was attacked, and those who are truly hearing fronm the Lord and living a holy life like we are commanded and being set apart as saints will be persecuted by those even in the chruch.
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Hold on. NO ONE here to my knowledge who questions Tom Deckard is against prayer and fasting or that there are true prophets of God out there. No one is saying that it isn’t good that a true prophet is sent by God to warn the people of things to come and to get ready, or ANYTHING of that sort.
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But you have to test the prophets to see whether or not they are of God, and if they don’t fit the bill, you DON’T listen to them!
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There is nothing that I have heard Tom Deckard say that I haven’t heard others say. Tom Deckard can also often be very general and when you throw enough out there you are bound to get something right.
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That doesn’t make Tom Deckard a true Prophet.
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Tom Deckard claims that he has the right to talk to God with a harsh tone because when you get to the point that Tom Deckard has you have earned that right.
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Tom Deckard also claims that whenever he wishes he can command the weather to change or to bring a tornado, or rain for his enjoyment.
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TOM DECKARD SAID THAT JESUS IS NICE AND ALL BUT THAT THE REAL POWER IS WITH THE ANGELS!
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MAN, YOU KNOW YOU GUYS ARE REALLY FRUSTRATING! WAKE-UP!
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It is no different now. Just as Jeremiah was a true Prophet, God’s people did not repent, and did not listen, then Judgment came. Prophet Deckard is no different, and the fruits should back it up.
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You have to look at the whole picture. Good people can do bad things and bad people can do good things.
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The world today uses things that seem good but the underlying motives and real place you end up is evil. Like “unity”.
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You could be buying into Deckard because he says a bunch of things that sound nice but then he says things like the Angels are above Jesus! How many times will you and everyone else need to fall on your heads until you get it?
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Do you “understand” DECEPTION?
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I myself have not reached a definite conclusion about what the deal is with Tom Deckard yet, but it’s not looking good!
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What fruits are you talking about? The kind of fruits like marrying someone you were having an adulterous affair with in a church?
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I don’t know if that’s true, but there seem to be many people that have a story or two to say about Tom Deckard. I don’t want to judge him without knowing but maybe it should be considered.
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And even if it were true, fine, people screw up, and if that has stopped and he and God have dealt with it, fine, but even more serious is saying we ought to put our strength in the angels!
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DO I really need to break that down?
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The works of Christ should be demonstrated not only in Prophet Deckards ministry, but anybody who is in Authority leading people. The Lord Jesus always backed up what he said from the Father by works demonstrated, so people would believe and recieve the revelation of the Kingdom of God.
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What works are you talking about? His exemplary sinless life or the feeding of the multitudes?
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His exemplary life had very few people believing and many, many people would follow Him for the freebie healings and meals and almost always as many would turn around and then walk away from Him when He told them what was wrong with them!
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If someone is truly speaking through the true annointing and true power of the Holy Sprit those words will be life, and demonstrated and convict the heart. Paul said that the Kingdom of God is not in word, but in demonstration and power.
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Yea, to set an example in our obedience to Him, not the kind of power like claiming to be able to say, “Oh really, so those people in the next town were rude to you. Well, I’ll do you a favor. I’m gonna send them a hurricane and that’ll teach them, how about that? Haw haw haw!”
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I need to be very childlike, and continue to grow, and be humble becuase I am just now learning this.
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Child-Like, not “Child-Ish” and don’t confuse the two.
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Jesus said to be gentle as doves, but also WISE AS SERPENTS.
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There’s nothing holy about willfully being someone’s fool.
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And don’t rely TOO much on this authority in the church you are so grateful for. While it’s great to have the more experienced to explain things too us when we need help, you should be primarily concerned with God being your prime authority and getting together with Him and reading your Bible yourself and asking for understanding.
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I am at the place where I am learning that I don’t have what I think I had, and being humbled and that is the best thing thatwe depend on the Lord that way, and for the true Body to unify so that there can be strength, becuase there are evil days coming.
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Yes there are evil days coming and there will be and are false prophets. And Jesus said that when they say that He is here or He is there to not believe it because He will be coming through the clouds and the Bible says that they are false who do not teach according to this Word and to test the spirits and beware of false prophets.
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Just because true prophets were persecuted doesn’t mean that someone, who claims to be a prophet and is then called on it, is a real prophet. They need to be judged according to the Word, and NOT what YOU may think SEEMS RIGHT.
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You said you are just now learning. Well, just to be truthful, I have to say that it shows.
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YOU follow Jesus. YOU read and YOU pray for wisdom and understanding, which is fear of the Lord and to depart from evil and trust Him to do that for YOU. HIM, NOT Tom Deckard and you judge the prophets by the Word of God. NOT what you THINK is right.  Tommy

Amen! That was good preachin’.    jhardin

Go here and read this:

http://www.apostasywatch.com/wolves3/deckard.html

Then go here:

http://www.apostasywatch.com/

and select 2-04-07 Beware of the Judaizers

and listen to the free MP3 that talks about some of Tom Deckards teaching and the contradictions it makes.  wide open eyes

Oh click on the free audio on the link http://www.apostasywatch.com/ to get to the 2-04-07 mp3 file.

Sorry.  wide open eyes

Is that the audio that says “Beware of the Judaizers”? I’ll bite my tongue until I have heard it.  Tommy

Okay, I don’t know about the rapture he talks about in the beginning. So far I don’t buy the rapture but anyway that’s besides the point – he just mentioned that quickly in the beginning but this is mainly talking about Tom Deckard. It’s 90 minutes. I’m at about 24 minutes and so far I agree with him. He’s basically saying what we have about Tom Deckard. Pretty good so far.  Tommy

Hello to everyone

The more and more read these statements, I defiantly now see the strife and pride I was in strife trying to defend Prophet Tom Deckard. The Lord always proves out the truth. I would just encourage everybody that is reading this whether or not you agree with Prophet Tom Deckard to just examine your own heart. The best thing all can do in this hour is seek the Lord our Father with all our hearts and seek rightousness and all godliness, mercy, and all holiness in Christ Jesus, and follow after Charity and put off all meaningliess quarells.  Ryan

Mr deckard is correct on many issues, He is a bit cocky, but seems like a good man  ELIJAH

Repent The Kingdom of GOD IS NEAR ALL OF YOU!  ELIJAH

The woman possessed with a spirit of divination was also correct on many issues, otherwise she would not have been useful to those that she worked for.
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She was also very cocky (arrogant). In fact, she was so arrogant that she mocked the Apostles and their message.
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And I’m sure that she seemed like a “good woman” to those that didn’t defy her methodology. She was probably nice to those that she worked for, personable, and maybe even a little charismatic.
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None of your defense of Tom Deckard equates to him being a sincere man of God.  jhardin

Comment by ELIJAH — August 4, 2007
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Mr deckard is correct on many issues, He is a bit cocky, but seems like a good man
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The devil also deceives by mixing lies with the truth.
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As far as the standard of the world goes, most people are probably good, but we aren’t judged by the world’s standards which are as filthy rags to God, but we are judged by God’s standards.
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And what is good to one may not be to another anyway. So, that he ’seems’ good to you, tells me nothing.
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By saying he is correct on many things you are inadvertently admitting he is wrong on others.
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It doesn’t matter what he seems like, what matters is what is.
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A little leaven leavens the whole thing.  Tommy

Be careful people do not call anything you are unsure of a devil, cause if it be from god man you are in a dangerous position.Fear god and give him glory worry about your own calling not prophet deckards, let god be the judge not u.If he feels he is doing gods will I praise him for it.I wish him well and all who follow their callings.It takes a man of courage to go against the grain and preach outside the standard teachings but a real prophet of god will be called a false one and a false prophet will be called real.Give it time and see if what he is preaching comes to pass.  ELIJAH

Be careful people do not call anything you are unsure of a devil, cause if it be from god man you are in a dangerous position.
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What makes you think I am sure or unsure?
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Perhaps you are the one who is unsure and you who is in a dangerous potion.
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Maybe it’s you that ought to be careful.
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Fear god and give him glory worry about your own calling not prophet deckards,
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I do fear the Lord and it is by that fear that I confront anything that I know not to be according to the law and to the testimony
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By the way, you say to fear God – what is fearing God?
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let god be the judge not u.
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Don’t give me that cop out.
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What in the world is that even supposed to mean?
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We all judge. You judged my actions with your reply so maybe you should take your own advice or maybe you don’t understand what it means to not judge? It can’t not mean NEVER judging in ANY way, shape or form whatsoever EVER otherwise we could never say a word or think a thought about anything ever!
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We are called to judge. What would I be if I didn’t show where he is wrong if I know he is, and I am not talking about nitpicking at unimportant things like whether or not Mary was 15 when she married Joseph or how old the apostles were when Jesus called them or whatever – I am talking about things like saying “Jesus is okay and all but the real power is in the angels” which goes against the very foundation of my faith!
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Why do I feel like nobody is listening? What’s wrong with everyone? Do you have Truth filters in your ears and Truth-blocker glasses on?
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If he feels he is doing gods will I praise him for it.I wish him well and all who follow their callings.
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To the law and to the testimony if they speak not according to this word (Word of God) there is no light in them.
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It takes a man of courage to go against the grain and preach outside the standard teachings
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Maybe we are the one who are going against the grain and courageous here at this blog.
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And if going against God’s Word is going against the grain I’d rather go with God’s Word.
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And what are the standard teachings you are talking about anyway and why would one need or want to go outside them? Please clarify.
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The Word of God always is and shall be and not one iota shall be changed from the law until everything that is supposed to be done is done.
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but a real prophet of god will be called a false one and a false prophet will be called real.
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I won’t argue with that!
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Give it time and see if what he is preaching comes to pass.
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Not all who say things that come to pass are from God.
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Besides, I don’t have that kind of time. It’s a better use of time to judge according to the Word whether or not something is of God. If it is then great, if not then I didn’t waste my time waiting.
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Even an evil spirit can admit that Jesus is the Messiah and living God.
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I have no proof of anything he has said being documented that he claims he has prophesied correctly.
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His prophecies that I have heard sound very general and if someone throws so much out there they are bound to hit on something.
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God has told us to see whether or not the prophets are of God.
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Either Tom Deckard is intentionally misleading and a fraud or he is deceived himself.
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But what is certain is that he says things that are wrong – SERIOUSLY wrong.
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If Tom Deckard is doing God’s will then I should just throw away my Bible because the two are not in harmony.
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A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
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The Lord guide us all and help us.  Tommy

11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

James 5:10
10Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.  Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged

amen and amen  savedbygrace

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
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Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
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Luk 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
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2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
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1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
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Thanks, John. I read the last couple of comments shortly after they were posted but I am so sick and tired of repeating myself. Thanks for the scriptures, especially this one…
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Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.  Tommy

It would be best if would not judge them, because God will hold you to that standard on judgement day, and if Deckard is a Prophet of God, Woe unto you when judgement come over this nation. ANd you will probably die if you dont heed the words of the prophet. He is warning us of what is to come, and how we need to seek the face of God more than ever because judgement will be over America. Gaurd your tongue. read Revelation 18, that is America. Now repent of your sin and sin no more, and seek God and get into your prayer closet. God will save those that love him and that dweleth in in the secret place.

(i know you probably prefer, joel osteen….. cause he tell you what u want to hear)

PS. more people speak bad of prophet deckard than good, so thats evidence right there that he is a prophet.  TOMMY BOY

Tommy Boy…
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People speak bad about Bill Clinton too, but I’m not so immature as to think of him as a prophet from God.
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How can you say that it would be best not to judge them? We are commanded to judge them… 1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
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How weak, and easily influenced does one have to be to blindly follow a man just because he says he speaks the truth?
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I feel sorry for you Tommy Boy. You are like an immature child who can’t discern the truth. I’m glad you came here to this site because are exactly the kind of person this article was written for. There’s meat on this site… spiritual meat, and I hope someday you grow to the point you can digest it.
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Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.   jhardin

@Tommy Boy
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I like the name that’s real cute.
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Joel Osteen? Sounds more like your cup of tea since you both don’t know what you are talking about. You also talk like you listen to Stan Johnson a lot.
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If Joel Osteen is my cup of tea I guess Deckard is really a prophet and you are one of the psychic friends since you can presume so much?
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Or maybe you are a Tom Deckard shill if not a fanboy/girl.
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Show me the census that says most are against Tom Deckard and not for. And you need to count those numbers with sense, which you apparently don’t have.
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Maybe I am telling the truth then since most seem to be against me. So “you’d better not judge me or else you are the one who could be in danger of hellfire” if I am right.
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You don’t understand those passages and their right context and how to apply it wisely if you lack sense.
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If men speak badly of someone they must be truthful and good? No, it’s not that simple. Look at who speaks badly and those who speak well, then put what each group is saying against the Word of God – which group is making the sound that is in disharmony with God? That is the wrong group and that’s the one you sound like.
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As for the rest of your comments, it’s already been addressed.
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God will save those who KNOW Him and are OBEDIENT. Let me qualify that because I don’t know what you mean by “love” when you say it.
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“dwelleth”, okay, this is the 21 century so stop tying to talk like king James. Poser.  Tommy

Revelation 18 is definitely the usa in bible prophecy its not a matter of If but when?My only question is when? These other people in here follow the teachings of religous churches and men, remeber satan was a liar from the beginning and still is, Listen to what the spirit is saying not your every day baptist preachers, you have one teacher and do not need to be taught, and dont persecute the prophets of god it is the reason god judges Mystery Babylon for the way they treated the prophets .  ELIJAH

First off I read the real word of God, The King James Bible. Just Watch this link,

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7445032832682658138&q=king+james+bill&total=189&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Anyway the bible says… “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him” (Deuteronomy 18:22)

Why is America so blind!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!! WAKE UP!!! WAKE UP!!!

God doesnt look at what you do or your head knowledge. He looks at the heart and the intentions of the heart.

God has given Prophet Deckard his anointing and God will gather the remnant of his people and protect them in these last days. There will be a transitioning of the Church.

When your families are dead after the bird flu pandemic, then will you listen to the prophet of God? Because more plauges will come on our country after that.

Just listen to the the Ruach HaKodesh, the holy spirit. Pray and Fast and ask God whether not Tom Deckard is a false prophet or not. If you do that, you will get an answer.

Read this prophecy from R.G. Hardy.

“For I would speak unto thee My children, behold, I give thee a few weeks space that thou mightest lift up the blood stained banner, and that thou mightest set the trumpet aloud and afresh to thy lips, and send a warning. For yet in a very short few days, saith God, I say that I have determined a great destruction towards this nation, saith God. And I do warn thee, and I foretell thee before it happens, saith thy God. Behold, I say that I shall bring a great whirlwind, and a great destruction shall hit thy nation, and it shall be torn apart, saith God.

Yea, for these are the days and the hours when I must get the attention of this generation and My people who have gone away from Me, saith God. And I say that I have caused their sons to be taken from them and even to go to distant lands to see if I could get their attention, but only for a moment do they turn their face towards Me, and then they turn away from Me, saith God. So therefore, saith God, I will even have to touch more of their belongings; I will have to lay My hands upon them even in this nation, saith God.

Yea, I say My children that I warn thee afresh and ahead. Yea, I say, set thy face as a flint, and set thy voice as a trumpet, saith God, and fail not to deliver this message to this generation. For behold, a destruction and a devastation is determined even for this city, saith God. And this city shall not escape, saith thy God. But behold, I shall bring it unto its knees. I shall get its attention. Therefore, I tell thee beforehand that thou mightest tell the inhabitants of this city and of this nation what I am about to do so that when I do it they shall call to remembrance these words, and then they shall begin to look unto Me and cry unto Me, saith God.

For these are the days and the hours appointed when I shall come down in My fury; when I shall come down in My anger for a nation that has forgotten Me, saith God. Yea, it is an evil nation. It’s a nation full of violence. It’s a nation full of sin. It is a nation full of homosexuality, even the sin that I hate and detest, saith God. And this nation is full of it; this city is full of it; yea; it is even seeking to creep into this church, saith God, but My face is against it, saith the Almighty. I shall let My destruction and My devastation fall, saith God.

I shall alarm and awake this generation up, saith God. Behold, I shall get their attention, and I shall bring them unto their knees. But thou hast only a few fleeting days and moments to sound the alarm. The enemy has sought to hold back My word and My alarm, saith God. Behold I am speaking even to those to the four directions of this nation, even in Canada, saith God, and they will hear My voice, and they will send in the money. And behold, I will give this pulpit and this My servant, yea the last day prophet that I have raised up, a greater anointing, and he shall sound the alarm and cry unto this generation. For there are yet a few that will yet hear My word, and they shall come and I shall deliver them and wash them in the Blood. And this city and this nation shall have a warning. Behold that I am a God that does warn before I do move, and this hour and these days are the days of warning, for it is too late to save the world, saith God. But it is only time to get a few Lots and pure daughters out, saith the Almighty. And except I shorten these days there be no flesh that would not be contaminated with this terrible and this dreadful sin of homosexuality, saith God. These are the days of warning, saith the Almighty God. And thou art the people whom I have brought together to hear My word, and even this night many from distant cities have I brought here to speak to thee, for My sheep know My voice, and a stranger they will not follow. Thou knowest that this is not a man, but that I am using only the tongue of man as the agency, but that this is thy God, and that it is His word.

I say unto thee that a great devastation and a destruction is determined against this nation. For the enemy is now seeking a great attack against this nation, and it shall come saith God. I say, it shall come, and the bombs shall fall in the street of this nation, saith God. and the dead shall die in a multitude, saith God. It will be in such a multitude that you will not have time to bury them, but thou wilt have to use bulldozers to push them into lime pits, saith God, and your buildings shall crumble. Yea, your sons and daughters shall be caught in the devastation and the destruction. I say, My children, hear My voice this night for the hour is set, and the prophecy is sure, and the fulfillment is certain, saith God. It shall be fulfilled, in this generation, even in your years. Your eyes shall behold and see as thy God shall pour out of His fury. Thou shalt see and hear the bombs as they fall in thy streets and in thy city. For America that I have raised up and blessed with such a great blessing, has forgotten Me. Yea, they do away with My Son. They do away with Me. They do away with My word. And the spirit of whoredom and adultery and fornication and homosexuality has taken them over, and they do not want to retain Me in their knowledge, but I am everywhere, saith God. And where shalt thou flee from My Spirit? Yea, if thou wouldest take the wings of the morning and fly to the yonder most heaven I am there, saith God. If thou wilt make thy bed in Hell, behold, Hell is open unto Me, saith God. Where wilt thou run? Where wilt thou flee? And where wilt thou hide except in the cleft of the Rock; except in My Love Gift; except beneath the Blood of My Son?

For I speak to you this nation; I speak to you America. How oft, how oft, how oft, would I have gathered thee as a hen gathers her brood, but they wouldest not. Therefore, I say, My hand is against you, and My word is against you, and I shall turn and fight against you with the sword of My Spirit, which is My word, saith God. I shall plead with you in wars. I shall plead with you in pestilence, in earthquakes, in cyclones, whirlwinds, and hurricanes. And yet in the multitude thou wilt not hear Me, but nevertheless, thou hast a witness, saith God; thou hast a word; thou hast a warning; and I send My word to thee that I would gather thee, but because thou wouldest not let Me gather thee, I will scatter thee. Because thou wouldest not let Me build thee up, I will pull thee down, Because thou wouldest not let Me give thee peace, I shall give thee war and devastation. Because thou wouldest not let Me heal thee, I will kill thee. For there is a time and there is a season appointed under the sun for everything that is done. There is a time to build, a time to gather, a time to plant, a time to heal, and a time of peace. But the time of war, a time to scatter, a time to pluck up, a time to pull down; yea, a time to kill is upon thee, saith God.

I speak to thee America; repent! I call to thee America repent! repent! repent! repent and prepare to meet thy God. For it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of a living God that is angry. And I am angry with thy wickedness, and I am angry with thy sins, and I am angry with thy nakedness, and I am angry with thy fornication and thine adultery and thy homosexuality. Yea, thou hast forgotten Me, and I shall turn thee into Hell where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. I say, he that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit hath to say unto the church. And I say, let the filthy be filthy. Yea, let the unrighteous be unrighteous, but let the righteous be righteous. Let the just be just. Let the praying be praying. Let the watchers be watching. Let the preachers be preaching. Let the testifiers be testifying until I come. For behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, and I shall give to every man according as his deeds shall be.

Yea, My people take this message; set it to thy lips; cry aloud; spare not; show My people their sins. Show America its waywardness; show it its wickedness. Cry against it sin; cry! cry aloud, cry aloud. For behold this prophecy is sure, and the fulfillment is certain, and it is not for a yon-distant day, but it is for your day and for your eyes and for your ears. And these things shall come to pass. For already My judgments are in the land, and I say, a terrible war is determined against thee. Thou hast not felt the ravages and the effects of war before, but thou shalt feel it this time, saith God. Yea, thou shalt feel it. Yea, thy cities shall know it. They shall taste of it. I have protected it in years gone be, but they would not have Me. Therefore, My hand of protection is taken away, saith God, and thou shalt feel the chastening hand of an Almighty God.

I say ye that are righteous be thou righteous, Stay at thy post. Lift up thy voice, Cry aloud. For thou wilt not have long to cry aloud and sound the trumpet and the alarm. For I shall do a quick work in a short time, and I will cut it short in righteousness, and except I shorten these days, there be not flesh saved. But for the elect sake I shall shorten these days, but these be the days of sorrows, and these be the beginning of the birth pangs of the sorrows and the Great Tribulation that is just ahead of thee. Thou art the children that are to cry aloud and clean thy hands of the blood of this generation; of this nation and this city. Clean thy hands! Clean thy hands! For it thou wilt not warn the wicked they shall die in their sins, saith God, but their blood I will require at thy hands, and if thou wilt not cry; if you wilt not sound the alarm, if thou wilt not blow the trumpet; I say, ye shall die with the blood of this generation upon thy hands, and thou shalt give an account for it, but if thou doest cry aloud, and if thou wilt not spare, and if thou wilt blow the trumpet, yea, if thou wilt work while it is yet day, thou shalt wipe the blood from thy hands, and the few yet that will hear will come in. And behold, I will send My Son, and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come into His temple, and He will take His people out, and then the end shall come, and Jacob’s trouble like as there has never been on the face of the earth before and shall never be again, shall come. Yea, these are they days of My vengeance and the days of My wrath, saith God. When I do signs in the earth beneath, and wonders in the heavens above: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and moon into blood.

Yea, I say, thou art the children; thou art on the threshold of it. Cry aloud! Cry aloud! Sound the trumpet and sound the alarm and cry aloud and spare not, and continue to seek My face, for thou hast found grace, and thou hast found favor as thou hast sought Me in thy prayer closets; as thou hast sought Me in the morning and all the day long. I have heard the prayers of many from this place at night; I have seen thy prayer meetings. Yea, they have come up to Me as a sweet smelling savor and a sacrifice acceptable, but I say do not slack thy prayers, but intensify thy prayers. For thou art but a few that are left, and thou standest in the hedge and make up the gap, and because of you I have withheld the judgement already to this city, for it is determined against this city and this nation, saith God. But I have heard thy cries, and I have seen thy tears and thy travail and thy weeping, saith God.

And I give ye yet another space; I renew the charge, and I give thee yet another time to run into the highways and into the byways and to the hedges to knock on the doors of thy neighbors and to run like Lot. Yea, be a Lot, and run like Lot to the doors of you loved ones and tell them in not many days hence, the Lord thy God shall bring destruction against this city and against this nation, and except they repent and be ready they will be caught in the destruction, and they will die in their sins, and they will go where there is weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. Oh, Hear! Hear! Hear! what the Spirit has to say unto the church. Hear, My little ones. Hear My voice. My sheep know My voice; and a stranger they will not follow.

I say, take this message, and run ye to the highways and to the byways, and to the hedges. Go and knock on the doors. Warn this city. Warn this generation. Fear thou not to tell that a great war, a terrible destruction is determined, for it is sure and it shall come to pass, and not one jot and not one tittle shall fail, but I shall fulfill it. Thine eyes shall see it, for a thousand shall fall by thy side and ten thousand at thy right hand, but if thou hast made Me, the Most High, thy habitation it shall not come nigh thy dwelling. Only with thine eyes shall thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. Cry aloud! Cry aloud! Cry aloud! Cry aloud! My little ones, and let not sin remove thee; let not flesh, let not carnality, let not sensuality; let not things of this earth remove thee, but stand in the hedge, and make up the gap, and lift up thy voice and cry and lament. For the mighty have fallen, and the streets are defiled with the bodies and the blood of the slain, and the voice, and the song of dance, and music is heard in the streets no more, but the voice of wailing and weeping and crying and the gnashing of teeth. Yea, lament; lament; lament; lament; lament; cry; cry; cry; cry; cry.”  TOMMY BOY

First off I read the real word of God, The King James Bible. Just Watch this link,
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7445032832682658138
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That’s good. I’ve already seen that. I’ve also heard Gail Riplinger or whatever her name is.
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Anyway the bible says… “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him” (Deuteronomy 18:22)
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No argument there. But everything you have in your post I’ve already addressed, so I won’t repeat it again, except make some comments.
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I don’t know whether or not Tom Deckard is real and I never said he wasn’t. But what I have said is that if he is then he either is false (even demons can confess that Jesus is God), or he started off well but is being taken astray by either the devil or his own pride/ego or he says things without thinking and doesn’t really mean what he says but he should be more careful because I can only go by what he says, because I do know that he has said things which are in big disharmony with the Bible, and not just small or negligible things, but things like Jesus is okay but taht the real power is with the angels. That is angel reverance/worship and demoting Jesus Christ. YOU need to wake up.
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I also don’t know for certain whether or not Tom Deckard’s prophecies have come true because he can claim he said anything X number of years ago, and then something happens and it’s easy for him to say “I told you so”.
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Why is America so blind!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!! WAKE UP!!! WAKE UP!!!
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I think you need to wake up yourself.
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God doesnt look at what you do or your head knowledge. He looks at the heart and the intentions of the heart.
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That’s too general and can lead people astray, just like saying we are saved by grace, which is true, but people read that like it means they are saved no matter what. Those are general and dangerous words.
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So I suppose I can fornicate and kill with good intentions?
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God has given Prophet Deckard his anointing and God will gather the remnant of his people and protect them in these last days.
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I don’t know that. And no one here is saying not to listen to the prophets, but rather to do their due diligence.
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When your families are dead after the bird flu pandemic, then will you listen to the prophet of God? Because more plauges will come on our country after that.
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These prophecies seem so general and sound just like what others say.
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You can say so much and are bound to hit on something.
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I could get the same information out of the Bible itself.
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At this point, I would sooner listen to Ellen White who seems much more likely to be a real prophet, than I would Tom Deckard.
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What is the key to escaping these plagues? Walking with the Lord? Well, then those who are doing that already need not worry about anything anyway whether or not they believe Tom Deckard.
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Just listen to the the Ruach HaKodesh, the holy spirit. Pray and Fast and ask God whether not Tom Deckard is a false prophet or not. If you do that, you will get an answer.
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What makes you think I haven’t already?
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I also don’t rely on my feelings, but on the Word of the Lord. God’s Word doesn’t change, so if Tom Deckard is in disharmony with it, I know Tom Deckard is wrong.
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Everyone can make mistakes, but Tom Deckard almost continually gets in to stuff and says things that are not right.
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I haven’t been able to and I don’t know when I will but I plan to get some of Tom Deckards stuff in video form online so that people can see and hear for themselves what he says.
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Read this prophecy from R.G. Hardy.
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“For I would speak unto thee My children, behold, I give thee a few weeks space that thou mightest lift up the blood stained banner, and that thou mightest set the trumpet aloud and afresh to thy lips, and send a warning. For yet in a very short few days, saith God, I say that I have determined a great destruction towards this nation, saith God. And I do warn thee, and I foretell thee before it happens, saith thy God. Behold, I say that I shall bring a great whirlwind, and a great destruction shall hit thy nation, and it shall be torn apart, saith God.
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Yea, for these are the days and the hours when I must get the attention of this generation and My people who have gone away from Me, saith God. And I say that I have caused their sons to be taken from them and even to go to distant lands to see if I could get their attention, but only for a moment do they turn their face towards Me, and then they turn away from Me, saith God. So therefore, saith God, I will even have to touch more of their belongings; I will have to lay My hands upon them even in this nation, saith God.
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Yea, I say My children that I warn thee afresh and ahead. Yea, I say, set thy face as a flint, and set thy voice as a trumpet, saith God, and fail not to deliver this message to this generation. For behold, a destruction and a devastation is determined even for this city, saith God. And this city shall not escape, saith thy God. But behold, I shall bring it unto its knees. I shall get its attention. Therefore, I tell thee beforehand that thou mightest tell the inhabitants of this city and of this nation what I am about to do so that when I do it they shall call to remembrance these words, and then they shall begin to look unto Me and cry unto Me, saith God.
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For these are the days and the hours appointed when I shall come down in My fury; when I shall come down in My anger for a nation that has forgotten Me, saith God. Yea, it is an evil nation. It’s a nation full of violence. It’s a nation full of sin. It is a nation full of homosexuality, even the sin that I hate and detest, saith God. And this nation is full of it; this city is full of it; yea; it is even seeking to creep into this church, saith God, but My face is against it, saith the Almighty. I shall let My destruction and My devastation fall, saith God.
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I shall alarm and awake this generation up, saith God. Behold, I shall get their attention, and I shall bring them unto their knees. But thou hast only a few fleeting days and moments to sound the alarm. The enemy has sought to hold back My word and My alarm, saith God. Behold I am speaking even to those to the four directions of this nation, even in Canada, saith God, and they will hear My voice, and they will send in the money. And behold, I will give this pulpit and this My servant, yea the last day prophet that I have raised up, a greater anointing, and he shall sound the alarm and cry unto this generation. For there are yet a few that will yet hear My word, and they shall come and I shall deliver them and wash them in the Blood. And this city and this nation shall have a warning. Behold that I am a God that does warn before I do move, and this hour and these days are the days of warning, for it is too late to save the world, saith God. But it is only time to get a few Lots and pure daughters out, saith the Almighty. And except I shorten these days there be no flesh that would not be contaminated with this terrible and this dreadful sin of homosexuality, saith God. These are the days of warning, saith the Almighty God. And thou art the people whom I have brought together to hear My word, and even this night many from distant cities have I brought here to speak to thee, for My sheep know My voice, and a stranger they will not follow. Thou knowest that this is not a man, but that I am using only the tongue of man as the agency, but that this is thy God, and that it is His word.
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I say unto thee that a great devastation and a destruction is determined against this nation. For the enemy is now seeking a great attack against this nation, and it shall come saith God. I say, it shall come, and the bombs shall fall in the street of this nation, saith God. and the dead shall die in a multitude, saith God. It will be in such a multitude that you will not have time to bury them, but thou wilt have to use bulldozers to push them into lime pits, saith God, and your buildings shall crumble. Yea, your sons and daughters shall be caught in the devastation and the destruction. I say, My children, hear My voice this night for the hour is set, and the prophecy is sure, and the fulfillment is certain, saith God. It shall be fulfilled, in this generation, even in your years. Your eyes shall behold and see as thy God shall pour out of His fury. Thou shalt see and hear the bombs as they fall in thy streets and in thy city. For America that I have raised up and blessed with such a great blessing, has forgotten Me. Yea, they do away with My Son. They do away with Me. They do away with My word. And the spirit of whoredom and adultery and fornication and homosexuality has taken them over, and they do not want to retain Me in their knowledge, but I am everywhere, saith God. And where shalt thou flee from My Spirit? Yea, if thou wouldest take the wings of the morning and fly to the yonder most heaven I am there, saith God. If thou wilt make thy bed in Hell, behold, Hell is open unto Me, saith God. Where wilt thou run? Where wilt thou flee? And where wilt thou hide except in the cleft of the Rock; except in My Love Gift; except beneath the Blood of My Son?
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For I speak to you this nation; I speak to you America. How oft, how oft, how oft, would I have gathered thee as a hen gathers her brood, but they wouldest not. Therefore, I say, My hand is against you, and My word is against you, and I shall turn and fight against you with the sword of My Spirit, which is My word, saith God. I shall plead with you in wars. I shall plead with you in pestilence, in earthquakes, in cyclones, whirlwinds, and hurricanes. And yet in the multitude thou wilt not hear Me, but nevertheless, thou hast a witness, saith God; thou hast a word; thou hast a warning; and I send My word to thee that I would gather thee, but because thou wouldest not let Me gather thee, I will scatter thee. Because thou wouldest not let Me build thee up, I will pull thee down, Because thou wouldest not let Me give thee peace, I shall give thee war and devastation. Because thou wouldest not let Me heal thee, I will kill thee. For there is a time and there is a season appointed under the sun for everything that is done. There is a time to build, a time to gather, a time to plant, a time to heal, and a time of peace. But the time of war, a time to scatter, a time to pluck up, a time to pull down; yea, a time to kill is upon thee, saith God.
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I speak to thee America; repent! I call to thee America repent! repent! repent! repent and prepare to meet thy God. For it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of a living God that is angry. And I am angry with thy wickedness, and I am angry with thy sins, and I am angry with thy nakedness, and I am angry with thy fornication and thine adultery and thy homosexuality. Yea, thou hast forgotten Me, and I shall turn thee into Hell where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. I say, he that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit hath to say unto the church. And I say, let the filthy be filthy. Yea, let the unrighteous be unrighteous, but let the righteous be righteous. Let the just be just. Let the praying be praying. Let the watchers be watching. Let the preachers be preaching. Let the testifiers be testifying until I come. For behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, and I shall give to every man according as his deeds shall be.
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Yea, My people take this message; set it to thy lips; cry aloud; spare not; show My people their sins. Show America its waywardness; show it its wickedness. Cry against it sin; cry! cry aloud, cry aloud. For behold this prophecy is sure, and the fulfillment is certain, and it is not for a yon-distant day, but it is for your day and for your eyes and for your ears. And these things shall come to pass. For already My judgments are in the land, and I say, a terrible war is determined against thee. Thou hast not felt the ravages and the effects of war before, but thou shalt feel it this time, saith God. Yea, thou shalt feel it. Yea, thy cities shall know it. They shall taste of it. I have protected it in years gone be, but they would not have Me. Therefore, My hand of protection is taken away, saith God, and thou shalt feel the chastening hand of an Almighty God.
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I say ye that are righteous be thou righteous, Stay at thy post. Lift up thy voice, Cry aloud. For thou wilt not have long to cry aloud and sound the trumpet and the alarm. For I shall do a quick work in a short time, and I will cut it short in righteousness, and except I shorten these days, there be not flesh saved. But for the elect sake I shall shorten these days, but these be the days of sorrows, and these be the beginning of the birth pangs of the sorrows and the Great Tribulation that is just ahead of thee. Thou art the children that are to cry aloud and clean thy hands of the blood of this generation; of this nation and this city. Clean thy hands! Clean thy hands! For it thou wilt not warn the wicked they shall die in their sins, saith God, but their blood I will require at thy hands, and if thou wilt not cry; if you wilt not sound the alarm, if thou wilt not blow the trumpet; I say, ye shall die with the blood of this generation upon thy hands, and thou shalt give an account for it, but if thou doest cry aloud, and if thou wilt not spare, and if thou wilt blow the trumpet, yea, if thou wilt work while it is yet day, thou shalt wipe the blood from thy hands, and the few yet that will hear will come in. And behold, I will send My Son, and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come into His temple, and He will take His people out, and then the end shall come, and Jacob’s trouble like as there has never been on the face of the earth before and shall never be again, shall come. Yea, these are they days of My vengeance and the days of My wrath, saith God. When I do signs in the earth beneath, and wonders in the heavens above: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and moon into blood.
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Yea, I say, thou art the children; thou art on the threshold of it. Cry aloud! Cry aloud! Sound the trumpet and sound the alarm and cry aloud and spare not, and continue to seek My face, for thou hast found grace, and thou hast found favor as thou hast sought Me in thy prayer closets; as thou hast sought Me in the morning and all the day long. I have heard the prayers of many from this place at night; I have seen thy prayer meetings. Yea, they have come up to Me as a sweet smelling savor and a sacrifice acceptable, but I say do not slack thy prayers, but intensify thy prayers. For thou art but a few that are left, and thou standest in the hedge and make up the gap, and because of you I have withheld the judgement already to this city, for it is determined against this city and this nation, saith God. But I have heard thy cries, and I have seen thy tears and thy travail and thy weeping, saith God.
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And I give ye yet another space; I renew the charge, and I give thee yet another time to run into the highways and into the byways and to the hedges to knock on the doors of thy neighbors and to run like Lot. Yea, be a Lot, and run like Lot to the doors of you loved ones and tell them in not many days hence, the Lord thy God shall bring destruction against this city and against this nation, and except they repent and be ready they will be caught in the destruction, and they will die in their sins, and they will go where there is weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. Oh, Hear! Hear! Hear! what the Spirit has to say unto the church. Hear, My little ones. Hear My voice. My sheep know My voice; and a stranger they will not follow.
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I say, take this message, and run ye to the highways and to the byways, and to the hedges. Go and knock on the doors. Warn this city. Warn this generation. Fear thou not to tell that a great war, a terrible destruction is determined, for it is sure and it shall come to pass, and not one jot and not one tittle shall fail, but I shall fulfill it. Thine eyes shall see it, for a thousand shall fall by thy side and ten thousand at thy right hand, but if thou hast made Me, the Most High, thy habitation it shall not come nigh thy dwelling. Only with thine eyes shall thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. Cry aloud! Cry aloud! Cry aloud! Cry aloud! My little ones, and let not sin remove thee; let not flesh, let not carnality, let not sensuality; let not things of this earth remove thee, but stand in the hedge, and make up the gap, and lift up thy voice and cry and lament. For the mighty have fallen, and the streets are defiled with the bodies and the blood of the slain, and the voice, and the song of dance, and music is heard in the streets no more, but the voice of wailing and weeping and crying and the gnashing of teeth. Yea, lament; lament; lament; lament; lament; cry; cry; cry; cry; cry.”
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I’ve never heard of him or if I have I don’t remember.
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Do you have a source?
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Anyway, none of that is surprising and I don’t doubt judgment will come and that people need to repent.
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That is not the point.
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The point is people can’t just jump when someone tells them to jump, and they need to judge against the Word of God.
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Tom Deckard is failing in that department.
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And why is it that all these guys speak with “thees” and “thous” and “sayeth” and “doeth” and so on? Who in the world talks like that?
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Didn’t they live in the 20th and 21st centuries? It sounds so pompous and fake. A good giveaway.
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Sorry, but whether or not any of this is true, I’m not going to take your word for it just because you say that he said and that God said.
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What a state we’d get ourselves into if we just believed everything we here.
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Cults tell others to believe what the teachers and preachers and “prophets” say without questioning anything. That is controlling and brainwashing.
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We all need discernment, and if you think you aren’t ever being deceived you need to pray for discernment for yourself. Often when we think we know everything and aren’t deceived is when we are, because you aren’t aware of being duped until you wake up.  Tommy

Tommy,

I’ve never heard of him or if I have I don’t remember.

R. G. Hardy is a word / faith preacher (or used to be.. I think he died).
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I have heard R G Hardy on recorded radio broadcasts and I can say that he is nothing but a re-iteration of pretty much everything heretic that I have heard from these word / faith preachers.
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Tommy Boy’s use of an RG Hardy quote did more to defeat his position that to help it. He has essentially given more evidence that he is emotionally driven, and has given himself to sensationalism and those (false) teachers who control people like him with emotionalism.
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The God I serve doesn’t want me to be anxious for anything… not even the destruction of America. And the God I serve doesn’t want me to be afraid about tomorrow; he says “sufficient today is the evil thereof”.
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I live in fellowship with my God, with peace that passes understanding, and joy unspeakable in the midst of the turmoil that Tom Deckard and RG Hardy remind their followers of.
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A real preacher (present day prophet) would be acknowledging the evil of the day, while reminding Christians of their security in Christ. False teachers control people by instilling fear, and making them anxious.
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The truth will make you free “Tommy Boy”… listen to what is being said here.  jhardin

And why is it that all these guys speak with “thees” and “thous” and “sayeth” and “doeth” and so on? Who in the world talks like that?

- Its not men speaking but God speaking through men.

What makes you think I haven’t already?

- Because you’re calling Deckard false. And God can give you an answer in a number of different ways. He can give you a deeper true (non fleshy) understanding of the his Word.

The God I serve doesn’t want me to be anxious for anything… not even the destruction of America. And the God I serve doesn’t want me to be afraid about tomorrow; he says “sufficient today is the evil thereof”.

-Your committing Idolatry, Sure the “God” “You” serve but not the God of the bible. Your creating a God to suit yourself.

Proverbs 22:4
By humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, and honour, and life.

Proverbs 23:17
Let not thine heart envy sinners: but be thou in the fear of the LORD all the day long.

Proverbs 14:26
In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.

Proverbs 14:27
The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

Acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Acts 13:26
Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

Ephesians 5:21
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.  Tommy Boy

And why is it that all these guys speak with “thees” and “thous” and “sayeth” and “doeth” and so on? Who in the world talks like that?
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- Its not men speaking but God speaking through men.
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So, I suppose God spoke to Jews through Moses in King James English, is that so? They were way ahead of their time. I didn’t know English went that far back.
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What makes you think I haven’t already?
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- Because you’re calling Deckard false. And God can give you an answer in a number of different ways. He can give you a deeper true (non fleshy) understanding of the his Word.
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Right, you think you have that understanding and I don’t. It’s no surprise. Only one of us can really be right, and I am going by what little discernment the Lord has given me coupled with what I know from the Bible. I don’t think it’s wrong to know when things are coming, or to prepare, but you seem to be operating driven by the need for excitement in your life.
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I’ll go and move to the country, and stock up on food and do whatever it is God calls me to do, but coming from Deckard, no.
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Ellen White has more credibility than Deckard.
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I do think it’s possible you are getting a “non fleshy” interpretation and mentality, but it could be coming from the other one, because I know that Deckard is in disharmony with the Word of God and the Bible says that if it is not according to the Word and to the testimony there is no light in them.
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You remind me of a story I once heard about native Americans not seeing European ships coming because they had never seen them before, and therefore because it wasn’t in their world view they couldn’t perceive them.
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The God I serve doesn’t want me to be anxious for anything… not even the destruction of America. And the God I serve doesn’t want me to be afraid about tomorrow; he says “sufficient today is the evil thereof”.
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-Your committing Idolatry, Sure the “God” “You” serve but not the God of the bible. Your creating a God to suit yourself.
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I think that’s directed to John, but I don’t think you have any real basis to say he’s committing idolatry.
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Trying to straighten you out is worse than untangling hairs, but are in need of untangling I think.
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Proverbs 22:4
By humility and the FEAR of the LORD are riches, and honour, and life.
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Proverbs 23:17
Let not thine heart envy sinners: but be thou in the FEAR of the LORD all the day long.
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Proverbs 14:26
In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.
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Proverbs 14:27
The FEAR of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.
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Acts 10:35
But in every nation he that FEAReth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
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Acts 13:26
Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you FEAReth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.
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Ephesians 5:21
Submitting yourselves one to another in the FEAR of God.
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I think you misinterpret fear the same way many do and the same way many misinterpret love. I asked someone here once before, and I think it was “elijah”, but they never answered, so why don’t you tell me – what does it mean to FEAR God?  Tommy

Tommy Boy,

-Your committing Idolatry, Sure the “God” “You” serve but not the God of the bible. Your creating a God to suit yourself.

Proverbs 22:4
By humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, and honour, and life.

Proverbs 23:17
Let not thine heart envy sinners: but be thou in the fear of the LORD all the day long.

Proverbs 14:26
In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.

Proverbs 14:27
The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

Acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Acts 13:26
Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

Ephesians 5:21
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Thank you Tommy Boy for all the verses talking about fear. But your Bible quotes are an indication of how careless some people are with Bible interpretation.
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I never said we were not to fear God… I said God doesn’t want us to be afraid of tomorrow, or circumstances, or other people. To fear God is something completely different.
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Just because the word “fear” is in a verse of the Bible doesn’t necessarily mean it is appropriate to quote that verse in every instance.
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I’m with Tommy… I would like for you to tell us what you think the “Fear of the Lord” is. And while your at it, why don’t you tell us why we as people who have faith in God should fear future events.  jhardin

Tom by his own words puts believers back under the law of the sabbath, feasts, and if he is like his PC Club sponsor, puts folks under the law of tithing also. Will he take correction humbly ?

Paul on the otherhand, never once instructed sabbath observance, tithing, or observing the feasts. Paul never asked for tithes, and where in the NT does ANY minister have a ministerial Title in front of his name. Prophet Smith, Apostle Billy, Pastor Jim etc.  Rory Moore

http://www.preparehisway.com

see the article “How to keep that Sabbath”, our book on tithing, “Those Wonderful Titles”.

THe gospel was NEVER to be bought and sold, ministries were commanded by Jesus to be “FREELY you have received, FREELY GIVE”, rather than the paid hirelings who make themselves into prophets, apostles, and teachers.  Rory Moore

The Sabbath and marriage were around before there were any Jews. Therefore, abstaining from fornication and adultery, which compromises the sanctity of marriage, and keeping the Sabbath Holy, as I see it and am convicted by the Holy Spirit, do not apply as laws as the other laws, especially ceremonial, that were given to Moses for the Jews. These do not apply as laws and the Sabbath is one of the Commandments and Yeshua told us to keep the Commandments.
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There seems to be confusion between keeping the Laws and Commandments of the Lord as one who is saved by grace and in the process of becoming a new creation in Christ – versus being saved by these things, which we are not. But to disregard the will of the Lord and continually and apathetically sin against Him and eachother is evidence of not being one of His own.
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Therefore, if Tom Deckard talks about the feasts, etc., as a requirement for salvation, I might have to take an exception to that, but I think there is nothing wrong with observing the Sabbath and the Holy days as the Lord instructed (and not the legal fabrications of the Pharisees to take advantage of the people) and I think it would be a good thing, because these things were made for us and for our pleasure and to have special times with the Lord – not to hold us in bondage and as a requirement for salvation. These are also acceptable versus the non-acceptable traditions and holidays of the pagans, which many Christians keep as if they are Judeo-Christian customs when they are in fact not, mainly thanks to the pagan and Whore of Revelation, Roman Catholicism.
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I don’t know whether or not Tom Deckard will take correction. On one of his DVDs he basically says that Paul doesn’t know what he was talking about and there is a clique out there that claims Paul’s books should not be in the Bible also. I have read some interesting things on the Prophecy Club. Whether or not they are true, I don’t know, but according to these sources Stan Johnson, his wife and some connected with the Prophecy Club can get out of line and as they say, “birds of a feather flock together”, but I can’t make any claims because I am not there and don’t see what’s going on but there are enough speaking to take notice, and I know that Tom Deckard is a very “iffy” individual when it comes to his doctrine judging from watching him speak for 10 hours.
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So, if these sources are correct and considering the vibe from these people, I don’t see Tom Deckard taking lightly to correction. If I recall correctly one or two others have brought up some occasions where Tom Deckard was confronted, once even at one of his very own Prophecy Club speeches and went raving against the person in the audience. Apparently Stan Johnson is also in the habit of accosting and bullying people and throwing them out if he doesn’t like something they say if it is slightly critical about the Prophecy Club or one of its current speakers.
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But I make no claims of my own concerning this, and maybe I shouldn’t even have brought it up, but there is information online about this sort of thing already, anyway.
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I often wonder about some of the speakers at the Prophecy Club, including Bill Schnoebelen, whom I actually like and enjoy listening to but who has some far out things he says (I have his “Interview with an Ex Vampire” DVD set), and it’s obvious to me that some are very weird. Not in an eccentric way but in a doctrinal way. I have heard of one or two people they have had that in my mind it is blatantly obvious they have no business being at a supposed Christian gathering claiming to be Christians.
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I really don’t know about the Prophecy Club and its cronies but I have had some doubts about them for a little while now.  Tommy

Many Messianics do not care for Pauls writings, however both Peter, the other apostles, the early church, and the numeric Bible all verify Pauls writing as scripture.
“even as our beloved brother Paul also, according the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; 16
as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.  Rory Moore

Deckard would not have done well with Paul who specifically warned the Galatians and Collossians in regard to keeping any ot the OT law as an act of righteousness. When Paul was given the revelation of the gospel in Arabia , he went quietly aside with the other apostles to compare his doctrine with theirs. And they matched.

The Bible specfically warns against the prophets who hire out and sell their ministry for reward. “Woe unto them…. in the error of Balaam for “hire”. When Paul warn Corinth of false workers who seek “occasion”, the word meant “opportunity”. And he reminded them Did I or Titus or Barnabbas make GAIN of you? Much of 1and 2 Corinthians is Paul warning them of those who would take of them, while Paul took NOTHING, not even food from them without paying for it. Quite a different example of ministry from that of Tom. Paul would have positively rebuked Tom for putting the sabbath and feast requirement on any gentile. Just look at Acts 15 what the council of Jerusalem said gentiles were to observe and not observe. Please read our article: http://www.preparehisway.com/you_who_desire_the_law  Rory Moore

Rory,

Tom by his own words puts believers back under the law of the sabbath, feasts, and if he is like his PC Club sponsor, puts folks under the law of tithing also. Will he take correction humbly ?

Paul on the otherhand, never once instructed sabbath observance, tithing, or observing the feasts. Paul never asked for tithes, and where in the NT does ANY minister have a ministerial Title in front of his name. Prophet Smith, Apostle Billy, Pastor Jim etc.

I agree with you on this. There are many things we could talk about like the fact that the early Christians met on the “first” day of the week out of respect to God, and the Sabbath is the last day of the week.
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Tithing is no different than any other point of the law, and if you are going to put yourself under the law, you are essentially placing yourself under the ENTIRE law.
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Paul said:
Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
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By this letter by Paul, I believe it is obvious that we are not to consider ourselves under the law, but we are to live by faith.
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Tithing is one of the most basic ways that present day Christians are “bewitched” into adhering to the law. Nowhere in the New Testament are we commanded to tithe, or do we even see evidence of tithing… that is an Old Testament, Abrahamic Covenant law… and it does not apply to us.
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I personally have a friend who refuses to eat pork because he says it is against the law. I have been teaching him Biblically that he is not under the law, but he is an immature Christian. This friend of mine, by claiming the law as a standard for righteousness is now putting himself under the WHOLE of the law to achieve righteousness. But Paul said this is impossible…
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Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
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John  John Hardin

Yes, I see those passages the same way as you.
Deckard would not have done well with Paul who specifically warned the Galatians and Collossians in regard to keeping any ot the OT law as an act of righteousness. When Paul was given the revelation of the gospel in Arabia , he went quietly aside with the other apostles to compare his doctrine with theirs. And they matched.

The Bible specfically warns against the prophets who hire out and sell their ministry for reward. “Woe unto them…. in the error of Balaam for “hire”. When Paul warn Corinth of false workers who seek “occasion”, the word meant “Did I or Titus or Barnabbas make GAIN of you? Much of 1and 2 Corinthians is Paul warning them of those who would take of them, while Paul took NOTHING, not even food from them without paying for it. Quite a different example of ministry from that of Tom. Paul would have positively rebuked Tom for putting the sabbath and feast requirement on any gentile. Just look at Acts 15 what the council of Jerusalem said gentiles were to observe and not observe. Please read our article: http://www.preparehisway.com/you_who_desire_the_law
Rory Moore

http://www.preparehisway.com
author of “The Tithe That Binds” given freely as the gospel was intended at our site and at http://www.americaslastdays.com  Rory Moore

For your friend,
mark 7:18
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Perceive ye not, that whatsoever from without goeth into the man, it cannot defile him;

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because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught?

This he said, making all meats clean.  Rory Moore

I think it applies to ceremonial laws and customs of bondage. When Paul spoke of the “sabbath days (plural) I believe he might have been speaking of the sabbath feasts but not the weekly last day of the week sabbath.
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I acknowledge the Sabbath because it is the day the Lord sanctified. No, I don’t think I’ll go to hell if I lift a finger on the sabbath, light a match or some of that stuff, which I think is nonsense. But I will not acknowledge Sunday, which the “church” has claimed to shift the sanctity to from the Sabbath, which most closely corresponds to Saturday, when it has no right to do so.
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I believe Jesus also kept the Sabbath and I believe it is Paul who says He is Lord also of the Sabbath.
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The question is not the day. We can worship God every day, but the Sabbath is the special day when we let go of our cares and spend special time with the Lord and relax. How we each keep the Sabbath can depend on each of us as individuals. But I see it as a question of principle, because what is being questioned is the authority of God.
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There is a difference between those types of laws (I forget the exact word for them at the moment) and the Commandments.
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When Christians met for things the day after the Sabbath it is because, I believe, they actually kept the Sabbath and not because they were transferring “sabbath” to Sunday. The Hebrew days are different than our most familiar ones we use now. Our days begin at midnight. The way I believe God set the days is to begin and end at sunset. So to say they met the day after the Sabbath could mean they met on Saturday night and not necessarily the equivalent of the Sunday we know and use.
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Even if we are not required to keep the Sabbath there is still no bondage to the law and the whole of the law if we keep it because we actually want to and not because we are required to.
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Anyway, I have read your comments and I will continue to meditate on this.
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If I can find something online that can articulate on this better than I can I will post it.
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I agree that it is fine for your friend to eat pork, John. I don’t think it is that sort of law that we are commanded to keep and that is a law of bondage. I just had pork tonight and it was pretty good
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By the way Rory, I listened to some of the audios on your web site about the tongue and I enjoyed them very much.
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Also, here is one of the web sites that has some things on the Prophecy Club and its speakers in case it’s of interest to anyone.
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http://www.seekgod.ca/prophclub.htm  Tommy

Tommy, thanks for the website link. The more I listen to the Prophecy Club I truly believe that Stan Johnson has fully moved into the “false teacher” department.
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As far as the Sabbath Day goes. Here are a couple of passages that helped me conclude that observing the Sabbath day is not Biblical.
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“Isa 1:12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
Isa 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; [it is] iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Isa 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear [them]. “
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God was telling Israel that even though they were under the law, they were still condemned because they kept the law without faith.
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Jesus abrogated the law of the Sabbath.
Mar 2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
Mar 2:24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
Mar 2:25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
Mar 2:26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
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It’s not necessarily a bad thing to observe the Sabbath day, but it is inconsequential concerning the life of faith.
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John  John Hardin

RE: PClub. We followed them for years, went to lotsa meetings. We discerned a change in Stan after Y2K, and I had a “check” in my spitit about them. Before that however, we had bought into the Oil in Israel (Ness Energy Stock) which he promoted, which has lost millions for PC club investors… We also lost investment capital on one of his sponsors in the late 90’s. Stan had an interesting dream from the Lord about the bank falling on him, it is on the americaslastdays.com site somewhere. I thank God for our losses as God has been purging the idol of material wealth from our hearts…
RE: the PC club and others who constantly beg for “support”, it is Interesting the Bible says “I have never seen the RIGHTEOUS forsaken nor His SEED GO BEGGING for bread”. If the righteous seed are never seen begging for bread, then is it the unrighteous who do?

RE sabbath day. last word on that from me is from Rom 14: 5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind.

I am an “every day alike” kinda guy. Grace and peace to you  Rory Moore

SPIRIT!! not spitit! lol maybe some things should be “spewed out” of the mouth   Rory Moore

I have some video’s of the Prophecy Club. One is Gale Riplinger, and the other is Michael Hoggard. These are pretty good, and I have talked with Michael Hoggard on several occasions. He is actually the one who got me interested in the Prophecy Club to begin with.
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I think Johnson was for the most part a sincere Christian a few years ago. But the past few years it seems that maybe he has been pursuing the sale of books and DVD’s by sensationalism.
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It’s hard to believe that someone who was once doctrinally right would sway that far into heresy without knowing what he was doing… But, I think he is deceiving and being deceived.  John Hardin

Ill just leave you at this….

The Early Christian Church (between about 33-333 AD) followed Torah and kept the testimony of Jesus Christ. Christians had their Sabbath on Saturday, Constantine changed it to Sunday to honor the pagan sun god Sol Invictus. Constantine changes the church to his liking and presides over the first council of Nicea and creates new elaborate rituals and doctrine(many of which have Pagan origins). Around 333 AD, Constantines mother hated the Jews so she had Constantine divide Christianity and Judaism (which were once combined). He kills all the Jewish Christians, and anyone that has any ties to Judaism. Thousands upon thousands were Martyred. Constantine put an end to Christianity, (like it was in Acts), and began a new kind. But God has moved in the church over the years creating reformation. Like Catholicism, to Calvinism, to Lutherans, to Baptists, to Pentacostals (through the Azusa Revival), to a new Reformation which will be hated by most. Christians/Jews who keep the law and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Dueteronomy 32:21
21They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

- People are going to keep the Law and the testimony of Jesus Christ and have the power of the Holy Spirit, thus provoking Judah to anger.

Hmm.. Lets see what Jesus, the Son of the living God, has to say about the Law….

Matthew 5:17-19
17″Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
If you dont follow the Law it doesn’t mean you wont go to heaven. The Law is not our means of salvation. The Law is not legalism, its a blessing from God.

hmm…

It sounds like alot of Christians will be considered least in the kingdom of heaven, and those that keep the law and teach it will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

P.S. – Valetine’s Day is Pagan, Easter is Pagan, Holloween is Pagan, and Christmas is Pagan. (alot of pagans mock contemporary christianity because of this)

And im not trying to judge anyone, im just giving you the information, forgive me if i come off as judgemental.  Jason

I agree with you, Jason.
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Yes, it is all pagan and that is why
I want nothing to do with any of it.
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It makes it very difficult to live in
this world when you reject so much that
is so well tied in with the fabric of
culture, let alone being a follower of
Yahushua and admitting it. It makes you
an outcast, looked at like you’re a
weirdo and so on when you don’t want to
congregate on the basis of “Christmas”
and put balls (testicles) on a phallic
symbol (the tree) and so on. But once
one knows, how can one continue to do
so without guilt?
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I found a web site the other day (a
Catholic one) that got into some of this
stuff and was saying how claiming that
Catholicism/Christianity is pagan is
utter nonsense. His argument was that
pagans wore blue and red so if someone
wears blue and red does that make them
a pagan?.. and other examples like that.
So then celebrating “christmas” was also
okay because it doesn’t mean anything.
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I was going to write an article in answer
to this but I never got around to it, but
wearing a purple shirt and blue jeans is
not simply being a pagan nor are some of
the other things people do, but to do
intricate things and look forward to pagan
feasts and follow their customs is quite
another. Eating a bun in the shape of a
cross doesn’t really mean anything if
you’re hungry. This seems logical and
reasonable to me, but to go to the trouble
of getting the tree, and talking about
looking forward for old saint Nick to come
by and decorating, and cooking specifically
for the occasion (swine or fowl, depending
on the culture), etc., well, that is quite
a lot to go through for something that
“doesn’t mean anything”.
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Many non-Christians have also called out
and pointed these things out, people like
Jordan Maxwell, but even some of these
people don’t have it all right. To say that
“Christianity” is really pagan is not
entirely untrue, but this is false Christianity
such as you pointed out with Constantine and
NOT the real Jews and Christians. Some also
argue that the Jews did not just worship one
“god” and therefore Judaism is not what
people think it is. That is not true. The
fact that Jews often went after strange gods
does not take any validity or trueness away
from Yahweh and the ways He set for them to
follow. That would be like saying Hinduism
is really Catholic because once in a while
some Hindus walk into a mass, for example.
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But in the case of much of Christianity and
in Catholicism it is true because those
pagan customs, language and beliefs are
either hiding behind the appearance of
Christianity or so well tied in most never
notice until something makes them take
notice or if it is pointed out.
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Burning in hell for all eternity without
end, the spirit leaving the body when a
person dies, etc., is all pagan belief.
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The law that Yahushua came to abolish
was the laws of bondage (my name for it)
, which came from the Levites (if I’m not
mistaken) and those corruptions of the
Pharisees, etc.
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But not being under the “law” doesn’t
refer to the laws that actually came
from Yahweh. At least, that is not how
I read it.
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The book of Isaiah (I forget the chapter
and verse) also speaks of us coming
together to be in the presence of Yahweh
at the New Moons and Sabbaths. So, the
Sabbath will be kept in His kingdom. There
is much more evidence/proof in the scriptures
that the laws and commandments of Yahweh are
not gone, although I can’t remember what
specific parts to quote at the moment.
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I am not referring to “laws” that were
fabricated, but to Yahweh’s laws.
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Once again, I am not saying that “works”
are what save, but then what does it mean
to follow Him? – To keep His commandments.
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This is how I understand it. It seems very
obvious to me.
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So, we are almost completely in agreement
on this.
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I don’t know everything and am still researching
and learning, but I am becoming convinced more
and more of things as I go along.
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We’ve been played and largely through no
fault of our own because what can we do when
we are raised being taught things as if they
are fact.
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It is also difficult for many to wake up to
these things but I hope that as many as possible
do and that we can all know the truth and I
believe that our Father in heaven wants for
us to know these things and not be in ignorance.  Tommy

Jason, you said.

Constantine put an end to Christianity, (like it was in Acts), and began a new kind. But God has moved in the church over the years creating reformation. Like Catholicism, to Calvinism, to Lutherans, to Baptists, to Pentacostals (through the Azusa Revival), to a new Reformation which will be hated by most. Christians/Jews who keep the law and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

I agree with you for the most part with what Constantine did with the Christians. But you are wrong about keeping the law.
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You quoted Jesus…

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

But then you said right after that… “If you dont follow the Law it doesn’t mean you wont go to heaven. The Law is not our means of salvation. The Law is not legalism, its a blessing from God.”
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But you completely left of the next verse…
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Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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Ummm. It sounds to me like if you don’t follow the law, you won’t go to heaven. In fact, that was exactly what Jesus was teaching in Matthew 5:17-19.
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The point of that passage was this “except your righteousness exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees” you cannot have eternal life. So, how does one exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees? Well, the Apostle Paul tells us that it CAN’T be by following the law….
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Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
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The law is a schoolmaster… that is to say it teaches us of our sinfulness, and draws us to a realization that we need a savior. The Apostle Paul said though…
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Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
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Now, this is not to say that we should continue in licentiousness because we are free from the law. But we should strive to grow closer to Christ, and subsequently put away sinfulness. Which the Apostle Paul stated…
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Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
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I suggest you read (and study) the first 4 chapters of Romans. The Apostle Paul was speaking to the early church about their Judaism. And when you finish that, you should read the book of Galatians in which the Apostle Paul reproved the Church at Galatia for their error regarding the law.
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Your post displays the type of False Teaching that this article is intended to refute.
|  John Hardin

I am a supporter of the Prophecy Club and have been supporting the ministry since 1998. I regularly attend pc meetings in Laurel, Maryland. I have also attended several pc crusades including a crusade in Cleveland, Ohio last October with Tom Deckard. One thing I’ve learned over the years is that a lot of of the pc speakers have some good information, but seldom do I agree with everything that they say. Tom Deckard is no different.
When prophet Deckard came to Maryland he soke about turning to God, living clean and holy, prayer and fasting. I didn’t have a problem with that part of his message, but I did have a problem when he spoke about keeping the law in order to receive God’s protection in the day of trouble. As a matter of fact during that meeting another prophecy club supporter spoke out saying that the teaching wasn’t consistent with scripture. Tom Deckard did become upset and he asked the gentlemen to leave. The man would not leave and another gentleman and myself escorted the disageeable man out of the meeting. In my opinion the man was out of order and was disrupting the meeting for everyone else. During the exchange of words between the man and prophet Deckard, Prophet Deckard said that the man would die soon(I believe he said within 30, I don’t remember exactly, but he said a certain # of days). This occurred when prophet Deckard was on tour talking about the bird flu during the Visions of Americas Judgement tour. Well the man that I help to escort of the meeting in 2005 is still alive because I saw him at the pc meeting in August 2007.
I’m not writing this post to condemn Tom Deckard or The Prophecy Club. I’m writing because it was in my heart to do so. I don’t believe every Tom Deckard is true but I am not in a position to call him a false prophet. I’ve heard him say that God still has to correct him on things that he may do or say that are out of line. I believe that Jesus said that we should love our enemies. So if someone on this post doesn’t believe Tom Deckard is true prophet of God then we are still required to love him if we are led by the spirit of God. At the end of our pc meeting with prophet Deckard I asked him a question. The question was “is the law and the commandments the same thing?”. I asked that question because I know that Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments, he didn’t say if you love me keep the law. Prophet Deckard said that they were the same. Personally I disagreed but not argumentatively. I am am not comfortable with a lot of things that prophet Deckard says but I’m not in a position to judge anyone, I have to try to work out my own issues. I would say that it that spirit would lead someone to address an individual with whom the have a doctrinal issue moreso than writing negative words behing there back. I don’t see love in writing about someone behind there back. If you have reproof for prophet Deckard I would say pray for the right words and approach him in the spirit of God and trust God for the results.
I would reason I continue to support the Prophecy Club is becuse of the message Stop sinning and turn to Jesus with your whole heart. That is the foundation message for the Prophecy Club and in the old testament it was the message for the majority of the prophets. Stan Johnson has made and will continue to make mistakes just like the rest of us, but he is trying to get out a message that he believes God has placed in his heart. Ministry is not easy so if you pray continue to pray for the Prophecy Club.

God Bless,
Terry  Terry

Hi Terry, a few years ago I would have agreed with you. Today, it has become clear to us the PC is selling the gospel contrary to scripture. Stan not only endorses Tom D as he promotes the OT law, he also collects tithes. In 2Cor 11, Paul purposely refused taking from the Corinthians, “abasing” himself. and when I was present with you and was in want, I was not a burden on any man; for the brethren, when they came from Macedonia, supplied the measure of my want; and in everything I kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself. He then mentioned those who “False apostles” who did the exact opposite! But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them that desire an occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, fashioning themselves into apostles of Christ.

Stan buys,sells , markets, and manipulates giving finances out of us gullible folks. I wish I could share with you some of the inside info I am privy to. Stan is a true “merchant of Babylon”.
Please use discernment. You might also note if Tom could not control himself in a public meeting, and pronounce a curse on someone, Jesus equated that with murder. Jesus said “ye are to bless and not to curse”. Which man, Tom or Jesus manifested the truth? Please see our article: http://www.preparehisway.com/thosewonderfultitle

We could compare so much more to the ministry of PC and TD to scripture, but you could put your time and effort into personal study and prayer much more effectively than supporting the PC.  Rory Moore

ooh man…
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Theres not much sense in arguing with you Carnally because its a spirit thing not a mind thing.
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Paul kept Torah….
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People face some problems reading Pauls writings today….
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They know dont know of Paul’s Pharasaical understanding of Scripture.
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They know little of the Hebrew methods of interpretation and teaching that Paul used and which existed since before Paul’s time.
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They know little of the deeper aspects of Paul’s Hebrew theology.
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The Hebrew concepts Paul tries to convey are not carried over well into the Greek language. (For Example, to convey the idea of “legalistic following of the commandments away from faith,” the phrase erga nomos, meaning “works of the Law,” had to be “created” as such a concept did not exist in the Greek language at that time.)
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As much as Hebrew meaning is lost when Paul’s thoughts were put into first century Koine Greek, they are further distorted when translated a second time, into modern English.
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Readers today also come to Paul’s letters with a bias instilled in them by their own theology. (for example, they are already taught the idea that Paul taught “we’re not under the Law” before they even begin “studying” his teachings.)
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I know you probably don’t don’t believe that Paul kept Torah, so lets use the Bible to prove it.
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He circumcised a man who had not yet been:
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Acts 16:1-3 – Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.
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He took a Torah vow:
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Acts 18:18 – And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.
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He continued to follow the Levitical feast day of Unleavened Bread:
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Acts 20:6 – And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
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He kept and encouraged others to keep Passover:
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Cor. 5:8 – Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
He continued to follow the Levitical feast day of Shavuot (Pentecost):
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Acts 20:16 – For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.
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1 Corinthians 16:8 – But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost.
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He kept Yom Kippur (this is the fast mentioned in the following verse):
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Acts 27:9 – Now when much time was spent, and when sailing was now dangerous, because the fast was now already past, Paul admonished them,
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He proved he did not teach against Torah by taking a vow:
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Acts 21:21-26 -And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
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He cited his continued Torah observance in his defense before a Roman governor:
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Acts 24:14-17 – But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men. Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings.
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And again to another Roman governor:
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Acts 24:14-17 – While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.
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And to a Jewish audience:
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Acts 28:17 – And it came to pass, that after three days Paul called the chief of the Jews together: and when they were come together, he said unto them, Men and brethren, though I have committed nothing against the people, or customs of our fathers, yet was I delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans.
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God is doing a great work in these last days, revealing things that have been unknown for centuries. He is going to draw the lost sheep of the lost tribes of Israel back home. The only people who know their Jews today is the tribe of Judah and Benjamin. The two sticks will come together in one hand. Read this last days prophecy.
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Ezekiel 37:15-28
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15The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
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16Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:
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17And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
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18And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
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19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
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20And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
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21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
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22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
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23Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
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24And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
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25And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
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26Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
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27My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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28And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
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We are living in very exciting times my friend. Very dangerous and exciting times…. I really can’t say much else that will persuade you, because every way of a man is right in his own eyes. Just sleep on it and Pray about it.
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It was just as hard for people in Jesus’ time to believe that the son of a carpenter was the Messaiah.

(Comment saved from spam filter)… To prevent your comments from being caught by the spam filter, please register on the blog. You’re comments will no longer wait in the moderation queue)  John Hardin

for some reason my messege came up as John Hardin i dunno why.  Jason

Can we call you JJ?

Good points and questions you raise. I will keep it short sort of.
1. Paul: Paul oserved the customs of the law even though he was free from the dead letter of the law: Why? 1Cor 9:20
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
Jews Acts 16:3
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To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
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To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

Simply put, Paul put himself under the law after he was a Christian in order to win those under the law and not be a stumbling block. This is why he had Timothy circumcised.
2. in our article, “Gal. 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law….” http://www.preparehisway.com/you_who_desire_the_law

we put for the overwhelming compilation of NT scriptures setting forth the Christians relationship to the OT covenant. If you will simply, prayerfully turn to Christ before reading them, God will settle the matter for anyone who turns to Christ regarding this.

3. IF we were under, i.e. say the sabbath law, those who try to keep that law must be killed for violating it. The Sabbath Law demanded death for working, making fire (like in a car engine, house heating, or even gathering sticks.

Heb. 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Please read the compiled scriptures in the article on our site, I was as confused about these matters as anyone for years untill I asked the Lord to open my understanding. (PS> our article “How to REALLY Keep That Sabbath” is a humorous but scripturally accurate article on the Sabbath.

God bless you, I respect your zeal for the Word.  Rory Moore

for some reason my messege came up as John Hardin i dunno why.

Jason, your comment was caught by our spam filter and thrown away.
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I was checking the filter to make sure no legitimate comments were thrown away and I saw yours. I copied it in full, and posted it here for you.
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You’re not the only one who this has happened to.
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I suggest anyone who posts to register on the blog, then your comments will be posted right away and you won’t ever have to wait for them to be approved, and you won’t have to worry about them being caught be the spam filter.
|  John Hardin

You know that wheter or not he is a Prophet is up to you to decide. But you should not be saying things about him that are bad because if he is a true Prophet then you are going to have to answer to God about condeming a man that he has anointed. If he isn’t a true Prophet would you like to take the chance and gossip about him when you have never even met the man? God says in his own word that you do not touch his annointed. If Prophet Tom Deckard is a true Prophet then you are just asking for your life to be cut short. If he isn’t a true Prophet would you like to take that chance for your life to be cut short. Have you ever listened to him in person or are you just JUDGING him before you even met him or know him. I hope you really consider not spreading gossip around because God really doesn’t like people to gossip.
Sincerely,
Ephrim  Ephrim

This message is for JHardin

WHAT GOD ARE YOU FOLLOWING????????

ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE FOLLOWING GOD, OR COULD YOU BE BLINDED AND FOLLOWING SATAN!

I WON’T TELL YOU THE ANSWER BECAUSE ONLY GOD AND YOU KNOW THE TRUE ANSWER. DON’T TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK, BUT WHAT GOD TRUELY THINKS OR DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT GOD THINKS BECAUSE YOU ARE SO INTO YOUR OWN SELF THAT YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW????  Ephrim

You know that wheter or not he is a Prophet is up to you to decide.
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Thanks, but not me/us, but measured against the Word of the Living Elohim.
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But you should not be saying things about him that are bad because if he is a true Prophet then you are going to have to answer to God about condeming a man that he has anointed.
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I’m not saying it, the Holy Spirit that convicts and the Word say it.
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And how do you know we are not anointed? Maybe you will have to answer to God for your comment.
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I doubt you have read all the discussion here. If you haven’t, then maybe you should.
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If he isn’t a true Prophet would you like to take the chance and gossip about him when you have never even met the man?
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You have never met us either. I have listened to 10 hours of him speaking. I don’t have to meet him just to comment on what he has said at those Prophecy Club meetings.
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I also don’t recall saying he isn’t. But if he is/was he’s saying some things that are wrong, and not negligible things, but big things like the real power being with the angels and not Jesus.
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God says in his own word that you do not touch his annointed. If Prophet Tom Deckard is a true Prophet then you are just asking for your life to be cut short.
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You are fear mongering. If he is true prophet then I pray that the Holy Spirit show me so, but He hasn’t and quite to the contrary.
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If he isn’t a true Prophet would you like to take that chance for your life to be cut short.
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You mean if he is? Stop trying to scare me. Instead, why don’t you use the WOrd of God to show me how he is a real prophat and also show me where what I said was wrong. It’s one thing to say things that may not be pleasant but are actually true and because it needs to be told and yet another to speak out of your own heart, not according to the Word and spreading fear.
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Have you ever listened to him in person or are you just JUDGING him before you even met him or know him.
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I’ve listened to 10 hours of his stuff.
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Do the all the speakers at the Prophecy Club meet all the people they accuse during their lectures?
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Has Tom Deckard met all of those he makes claims about?
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Have you met us?
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I hope you really consider not spreading gossip around because God really doesn’t like people to gossip.
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The Word is not gossip and I don’t go by what I think.
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I will say this though. If Tom Deckard wants to come here and set the record straight and explains himself and I see that I was wrong I will take back everything I said.
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I have said I don’t know what his deal is, but I go by the Word.
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What do you go by? Your own feeling?
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You aren’t the first person to come here who sounds just like you and I just end up repeating myself over and over. You are all the same and I believe there’s nothing you can say that I don’t have an answer for because it’s always the same.
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As for the comment you left to John Hardin, wow. Shouting in CAPS doesn’t get you heard any better and actually makes it harder to read. Not to mention that the post itself can’t be described by any words I have in my vocabulary. Why don’t you take your own advice and examine yourself?
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Why don’t you get into the Word of God to see what He says rather than taking Tom Deckard at face value?
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Stop being a lemming and wake up.
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Thanks.
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(By the way, this article is 1 year old today )  Tommy

To Ephrim,

WHAT GOD ARE YOU FOLLOWING????????

ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE FOLLOWING GOD, OR COULD YOU BE BLINDED AND FOLLOWING SATAN!

Well… I can tell you this. I don’t follow a god that would have me enslaved in the bondage of fear, too afraid to stand up against heresy!
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And I don’t follow a god that endorses enslaving others in fear by coercing them to cower before a man that calls himself a prophet.
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The kind of god you seem to be endorsing sounds more like baal worship than the God of the Bible.
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John

BTW:  Thanks to Tommy for pointing out that the article is 1 yr. old.  I think it’s time for a birthday party.  Happy Birthday Tom Deckard Article!    John Hardin

BTW, that “touched not mine annointed…” was from the OT Law which we are not bound to (Acts 15-, read the chapter). There was no threat to those who challenged prophets, true OR false in the NEW Testament. TD is CLEARLY out of order by threatening or cursing ANYONE. Jesus said we are to “LOVE your enemies…” and we are to “BLESS and NOT curse…”. TD appears to be stuck in an OLD Testament paradigm and does not know his New Covenant scriptures. His unbelief toward Paul’s writings betray him.  Rory Moore

I agree Rory. Speaking of Deckard in particular, I don’t see how a person can claim the status of an “untouchable” without…
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1. Truly believing he is an Old Testament prophet of God. But the Old Testament prophets never threatened others with judgment by God for harming them or speaking against them. They only warned the people of judgment from God for impenitence.
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2. Or deceptively controlling his followers by coercing them to fear him, and using the idea of God’s omnipotence to do so. If that is the case, this man is more than just a heretic… he is blasphemer, and the very worst sort of cult leader.
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John  John Hardin

Check out this website http://www.apostasywatch.com/ because it has been updated and there are links directly to Toms site that shows that he is telling you something to the effect (can remember the exact words so go to the site) of Paul is not where we need to focus our attention concerning this. He also states that Jesus’ blood was not enough or we would not have sick Christians in the world today. Anyone that says Jesus’ blood was not enough is really confused. Check out the link and read it. Very interesting.  Wide Open Eyes

Interesting you should mention this now. This morning as I was reading the Bible and thinking about Pauls ministry, and our New Covenant, I was led to write an article “In Defense of Paul” which will be posted on our site within the next few days. My goodness, Paul wrote most of the New Testament! And Peter acknowledged Pauls writing were “scripture” for starters…. TD does not like Paul because Paul’s doctrine refutes TD on many, many points. Stay tuned… http://www.preparehisway.com  Rory Moore

He also states that Jesus’ blood was not enough or we would not have sick Christians in the world today.

I agree with you… Tom Deckard is very confused.
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If you really think about it… the logical conclusion of the “word-faith” message is exactly this. Tom Deckard is just foolish enough to remain loyal to his message even if it means denying Christ.  John Hardin

You DID get me to think about it. Why would he remain loyal to His message?
Because among other things, it is a financially rewarding message…

-I am thankful this blog comes up on TD web searches..
-rory
http://www.preparehisway.com  Rory Moore

Because among other things, it is a financially rewarding message…

I think you hit the nail on the head there Rory. Most things in this world that are financially rewarding are those things that appeal to the flesh and are not spiritually edifying.
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John  John Hardin

I do not intend to defend Tom Deckard, although I do think he raises some legitimate questions. Is it, in fact, true that the early church joined with the Jews in celebrating New Moons and the festivals, in addition to Saturday worship? Was there an actual attempt by Constantine’s wife to separate Jews from Christians by changing the Sabbath to Sunday? I can be fairly certain that early Christians did not celebrate Easter or Christmas as we do, nor the customary Sunday worship. If all the above is true, I lament that this separation of Jews from Christians resulted in centuries of antagonism and anti-semitism.  Ryan Wolanin

I once was a regular attendee at the Spirit of Prophecy Church which is part of the Prophecy Club. In my experiance there have been very few true prophets that have come through there. I once had one tell me that my life with my husband would be one of glory. Well six years later I am divorcing him for abuse on me and my children. Stan Johnson himself is as arrogant as the rest. He promotes his wife and himself as esteemed people of God. I tried to tell them of the fall that they would encounter and they would not hear of it. One year later that fall came and they could not afford to pay their employees so they had them sign a decree of poverty. As a result one young man found himself with a family and was unable to recieve any kind of credit and so could not buy a house for him, his wife, and child. What true man of God would do this to God’s people. By the way when my husband and I decied to leave that church Stan told us that for us to get anywhere in life we would have to submit to his athority. Does He Realy Sound Like A Man Of God? I think not.  Once a believer

Once a believer, I don’t know first hand whether what happened to you is true but I also have no reason to doubt it. After watching many Prophecy Club videos (and I regret immensely having paid for a few of them and donating to them! now that I am growing and become more aware and wake up I refuse to tithe until I find a ministry that speaks the truth and then when I believe they do I will still wait and make sure until I am comfortable with it and that’s what I believe every believer should do) I am convicted that a few may be sincere, many may be deluded and most are con men/women. You name it, Stan Johnson, Bill Schnoebelen, Tom Deckard, that woman who wields that sword like She-Ra or whatever it is she does, etc., are full of lies. Some may know it and some may not, but I believe they are. Yes, the most dangerous lies are those that come real close to the truth as close as they can without touching it. Those are the most deceptive lies. Most people (believers) on the other hand won’t join something like the church of satan but will gravitate toward whatever sounds like the “truest truth” and they get taken advantage of.
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I believe this is one of the few people speaking the truth today. You might want to watch it and see how it convicts you.
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“God Shall Supply Your Need (Predestination)”
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2586358494451489212
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If you like that then click on “More From This User” on that page see their other videos. Personally I have seen each at least a few times, I have some DVDs here of that ministry also and I can’t get enough of it. It’s what has made me want to study with an interlinear, concordance and named other helpful resources for learning what God’s written word really means that I wasn’t aware of and that no one else ever named for me or advised me to.  Tommy

And for the record, you say there are very few prophets at the Prophecy Club, but I have yet to see someone at the Prophecy Club I believe is a real prophet and if any really are they would know better than to be a part of the “Prophecy Club”. If you can name any you think are true prophets I’d appreciate if you could name them for me so that I could check them out. Thank you.  Tommy

We attended many PC meetings in the 90’s. There were a few legit prophets, Ken Peters come to mind. Michael Boldea is another, I’m sure there were others. Dave Eells comes to mind as one of the few very teachers of scripture truth.
Several of the legit speakers parted company with Stan. God definitely led us away from him beginning in 99 when we percieved something had changed in his spirit. (greed-covetousness?) Stan was rebuked by several of them but refused any correction as he pursued the idol of success.
I sent him a free copy of our book about true tithing but he never responded. “The Tithe That Binds” @ http://www.preparehisway.com
Stan is under the “curse” of the law for his keeping the law of the tithe and for extortion of finances. The true gospel was never bought and sold like Stan practices. Jesus said “freely you receive, freely give”. NO true apostle in scripture taught tithing or putting people under the Old Covenant, false ones do.
We have repented for following and supporting the PC, I pray God open the eyes of everyone involved with them.  rory moore

Thanks, Rory. Ken Peters, Michael Boldea, Dave Eells – got it. I think I may have seen Michael Boldea. His name is familiar. I don’t believe in such a thing as not being under the law. But, the law is now written in the heart of the believer. God doesn’t change. How that law translates into post-Jesus is what I need to study more. I believe Jim Brown speaks the truth. He is the man speaking in the video I gave the link for in one of my last posts. He believes in predestination and so do I. He is NOT a Calvinist. Most people will not like what he says. Here it is again: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2586358494451489212
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Ok, thanks again for the names. I still wonder who “Once A Believer” was referring to.  Tommy

Keep reading and praying Bro Tommy. The New testament contains our covenant God made with us. I was not clear about it myself for many years, but God has been gracious. I have two articles on our site, “How to REALLY Keep That Sabbath” (it will give you some laughs too), and “Tell Me ye who desire to be under the law”. They are on the Articles page, scroll down.

I would be interested in your response too.
blessings,
-rory  rory moore

I went through the articles. The Sabbath is adding faith so that God’s children grow and learn not to fret over the worries of the world. This is because God is sovereign and the Sabbath rest in its current form is resting in faith in Him. Yashua said that not one jot or tittle would pass from the law. The law remains, but it is the Father manipulating His elect in order to create a situation conducive to His children becoming the way He wants them to be. In short, He beats His children. His elect are convicted when He draws them and opens their eyes and ears, agonizing over sin and carrying one’s cross dying to self daily. This happens by His will and not the individual necessarily consciously and deliberately trying to follow the letter of the law. If one belongs to God, He will beat them into submission. He is sovereign. There is no such thing as free will. Only self will. That is my basic understanding so far concerning the things you brought up and that is my response. Thanks.  Tommy

Hey Tommy and Rory… been a while

As far as God imposing His will on man, I don’t think there is anything of the sort taught in scripture. Not only does God ‘NOT’ impose His will on man, He allows men to behave in ways that contradict His will… even Christians.

God allowed Pharoah to continue with his already hardened heart in order that God’s name would be proclaimed throughout all the Earth.

God desires that all men would be saved… but, yet not all men are saved (1 timothy 2:4)

The ONLY time predestination is an issue is when it comes to the eternal security of a believer. A believer is ‘predestined’ to the adoption of sons (Ephesians 1:5)… and Christians are ‘predestined’ to be conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 8:29).

Other than that, there is no predestination… not even for the unbeliever because until the day they die they still have the option to be saved.  John Hardin

It was good to see the note come in that this thread was alive for us too. well, I hope we can stick to the PC and related matters without yet another law vs grace vs predestination.

-I haven’t heard of Prophet TD hanging with the PC club folks (I still get PC email newsletters).
I would not be a bit surprised if they fell out with each other over mammon…. It has happened several times with Brother Stan and his speakers.

The person “Once A Believer” was a very interesting witness. Do you remember Stans dream about the bank collapsing on him?  rory moore

Hi, again. I think there is a lot of support for predestination and election. I’m a baby in this and I’ve been sort of lazy, however I am convicted predestination is true. I’m not sure how robotic people are or whether I agree on certain people’s take on it, like how maybe the angle a hair might be standing on your head is placed that way so if the wind blows on it there’s some butterfly effect that puts other things into motion, but I do believe God is a manipulator and has predestined things. The Bible says that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, not that He let him continue with a hardened heart as if it was already hardened before He intervened. It says that God loved Jacob and hated Esau before they were in their mother’s womb and had yet to do any good or evil. It also says God draws whom He wills. This is undeniable. In Ephesians 1:4 it says He has chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blame before him in love. In Romans 8:29 it says that whom He did foreknow He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son. God doesn’t hear sinners, so God is the one who calls sinners and makes them believe, those who were predestined beforehand. There are other verses and taking things together I believe that predestination is true. Like in John 3:16 “world” is an orderly arrangement in the Greek and not our word “world”. I don’t have all the answers. It can be better explained by Jim Brown in his videos I linked to above. I have to get serious and study this and I am not in a position where I can fully argue it by getting extremely technical. I need to be able to buy some things in order to do so.
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Rory, I went into it because it was relevant to my reply to your post that you said you would be interested in hearing and so that’s what you got. If you don’t want to talk about it I won’t push it. I believe if it’s God’s will for you go watch those videos, to believe in predestination or to get convicted He will make it happen. I’m happy to drop it if it’s unwanted or if it’s off topic but I am getting convicted in this and have been for about 10 months and so I will bring it up whenever it’s relevant to a reply I make.
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As far as the Prophecy Club it is my understanding that Stan Johnson didn’t have too many restrictions on whether or not a person could speak there but I remember, and I think it’s on one of the videos laying around here, that he only had about two or three rules such as having to believe Jesus rose from the dead and one or two others but I am not sure. It was something in that vein. But his number one rule seemed to be that you could not contradict anything ever said by Dumitru Duduman whom he considers to be his number one prophet boy.
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“Once a believer’s” comment made me curious, too. Her comment was held back I happened to see it and let it go through.
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And hi, John. I hope you’ve been well.  Tommy

Tommy, I will need to go through my tape collection from the so call “Prophecies that I have been given. I am actually away from home and trying to get a house this week, when I get back I will look at my tape collection. There is on prophet that so far all of what he has said has come to pass, and he does not speak of “doom to the nation” but rather things that will happen in our personal lives. Stan through him out of the Prophecy Club when he approched Stan about some dealings that were less then christian. He tried to warn Stan that there would be consiquences for his actions, but Stan told him to leave and told everyone that this gentleman was speaking in “evil toungs”. I will get back to you on this round about next monday.  Once a believer

Yes, Tommy… I have been well. I hope the same has been for you also.  John Hardin

Tom Deckard revealed not too long ago that God had given a warning that there are 400,000 chinese communists soldiers located in the midwest of America… Back during the Clinton administration, Pentagon close some military bases at home and abroad… One of those bases located near San Diego a year later was sold to China… Approx 2 years ago driving on I43 north of Milwaukee, I witnessed at least 25-30 vans and suvs full of asian men of military age… There were no women, children or elderly that I could see in these vehicles… This is part of the Globalists plan to bring about the New World Order and by using foreign soldiers to enforce martial law… U.S. troops will not kill americans… That is why most of our troops are over seas…  Cee Kai

That’s some shocking news. Thanks for sharing Cee Kai. I don’t care what anyone thinks of Tom Deckard, good or ill. These kind of warning messages need to be taken seriously. Our country is in deep trouble right now, and the church needs to repent. Time is running out! We cannot depend on the government, nor the military to protect us. Only those who know and obey the Lord God have true security. Seek Him today!!!  Ryan Wolanin

I have just discovered this brother, Tom Deckard. I believe he is the Lord’s servant. In the times that we are living in and about to enter men and women are going to have to be like Tom Deckard. Just step back and take an honest look at Christianity today. The church by what I mean when I write church I do not mean a building but a body of people called out of darkness. The church is sick I mean diseased, broke, very little truth in her (church). Just stop and take a look, an honest look. There is a reason. It’s going to take very hard men and women of God to help the Body of Christ. Many Christians I personally know are oppressed, sick, and broke. I personally see it in peoples lives. I pray for people to see them come out of their oppression. My heart goes out to those I see and have prayed for. Yes, Tom Deckard is very blunt and to the point but I promise you it is going to take people like this to really bring help to the Body of Christ. I am writting this not to be offensive but please stop and take a look at what is happening within the Body of Christ and you will see we need true five fold ministers to help guide the Body of Christ back to where she should be. I would rather listen to hard words and sometimes hard to swallow and be corrected than to be lost eternally. Let’s listen and if the Lord has sent Tom Deckard I propmise no one will be able to stop Tom Deckard. What Tom Deckard is doing I am sure it is not easy for him. No one is that blunt and to the point unless he has been sent. Shalom  Jeff

Tom Deckard has been stating that he is an Orthodox Jew, not just Messianic. If you are Orthodox, you are stating that you reject the teachings of Christ. If he then claims to accept those teachings, he is lying about being Orthodox. That is lie #1. Men of God do not lie. Arrogance is a characteristic of satan. Tom Deckard is very easy to debunk as a false PROFIT! To this day, he claims to have healed a muslim president of Malawi’s brother of HIV. Malawi has only had 3 presidents! The 1st one was a Christian, since 1905. That leaves 2, alive and well! It was reported in the NY Times on 2004, that President #2’s (Bakili Muluzi) brother had died of AIDS. The current has never reported a HIV brother. Deckard is reading the news! And read Daniel and Revelation for yourself, don’t just take his interpretation as the only one.  MrNewsAnchor

This back an forth none since is for inmature children, focuse on Christ. Either he is or he isnt. Take what you read and discern for your self and let the Spirit give you understanding. Every man on this planet is your brother weather you like it believe it or not. Jesus said forgive your brothers, enemies and alike. Forgive and youll be forgiven. Dont and Jesus will leave you in hell! Which we live already! If he is a false prophet then so be it. If he really has that gift, let him use in the manner pleasing to God. If he is living rich off his abilities then he will be judged. We all have a duty to be as children loving giving in love to one another. Yalls arguing shows that an oppression affects yall, find an dilverance minister who is anointed and get healing so all can be purified and made white allowing the flow of the spirit to enhance, edify the body of christ, people who use the Word of God for personal gain or judgement , or what ever else the devil may use you for will be spit out.
If Tom deckard were a man of Godyou will know him by his fruits, he would be setting the captives free, opening blind eyes, deaf ears, raising the dead, signs and wounders will follow those who are seeking the spirit for abundant life, fruits of the spirit!!
We need to come together and fight the darkness in the world, and among us, leaving on the armor of God to resist temptaion, instead causing division which is how the devil works.
God Bless you all!! Focus on Jesus and not man. Not by strength or might but By his Spirit, saith the Lord. Nothing can be done with out the guidance of the spirit. Praise God!!  rob oakley

Finding this forum has been enlightening to me in more ways than one. I just stumbled upon Tom Deckard only several hours ago, and in that short time I have experienced both ends of the spiritual spectrum. About half-way through a lecture he was giving, I was very inspired by his apparent sincerity in calling for a righteous life and his speaking about how necessary it was for true communion with the Holy Spirit. What lead me here, however, was a nagging curiousity as to why he spells God as “G-D” and Lord as “L-rd”. I thought it very strange and didn’t remember hearing him explain that, so I tried to think of a way to phrase it and googled the question. It seems that with Deckard, there is much more than meets the eye. It makes me wonder how succeptible I am to deception and, frankly, that frightens me. On that note, there seem to be a couple of very educated and well versed Christians here who I hope can give me some discernment concerning a couple of topics that I have been spending a lot of time on, as of late. They are that of the supposed Illuminati/Luciferian conspiracy to establish satan’s kingdom here on earth and also that of the strong delusion/deception spoken of in the book of Revelation. Chuck Missler and Stanley Monteith are two men who I have paid particular attention to and they seem to be very level-headed and provide scriptural references for most of their ideas. I’m just asking if you personally believe that there is such a conspiracy and, also, whether the previously mentioned deception will likely be that of a fake alien invasion or some similar scenario. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. The more I study this, I find that it makes me very frustrated with people who don’t investigate these matters and just seem quite content to spend their lives seeking pleasure and entertainment. While this may or may not be true, I find myself becoming more and more judgmental of people and feel quite alone in this “knowledge”. I know that that is not what God wants for me, so I’m wondering if maybe I’m being deceived on the whole, or is it just my attitude that needs adjusting? Thankyou in advance for any replies and God bless.
Adam  Adam

@Adam – Thank you for the comment. Your questions concerning the Illuminati conspiracy theory and the strong delusion are related to one small eschatological position called Pre-Millennialism. I assume you are familiar with the teaching of Pre-Millennialism that there will be a great tribulation at the end where a one world government will be set up by the Antichrist, then the 1000 year reign of Christ. I personally do not believe that, although I do believe the Bible teaches a general resurrection at the end. There are so many inconsistencies and loose ends with Pre-Millennialism that bring about all these conspiracy theories, that I don’t feel like it’s a valid position. Not to mention Pre-Millennialism is only about 130 years old. Nearly all of the respected theologians are Amillennialist who believe the great tribulation already happened in the first century, and the “Millennial Reign” is happening now and has been happening since the resurrection of Christ.

I would suggest beginning your study on Amillennialism because there really is no room for these fanciful conspiracy theories. Revelation is a “revealing” of the person of Christ… not a wacked out conspiracy theory where Luciferians are trying to eat your brain. All that is fun to think about, but it just serves to distract us from Christ.  John Hardin

Thankyou, John, for your timely response. Some of the stuff I was referring to can be very convincing without a proper foundation in the Word. Clearly, my foundation leaves something to be desired, but I intend to rememdy that. I’m beginning to see, now, that the truthfulness of these things should be measured by the fruit that they create in my life. Far from that of peace, that fruit has unrest, worry, judgement of others, and distraction of the love of Christ. It has made me judgemental of others in the Church who weren’t “in the know” about these things and has made me a critic where I should be a pupil. It’s unfortunate that I’ve wasted so much time on this stuff (literally years), but I can only hope that it has served to better equip me to help others who may be struggling with a similar situation. One point I would like to clarify, however, is that Luciferians don’t eat your brain. It’s zombies that you’re thinking of. Much love and God bless.  Adam777

Sorry, my bad. I did confuse Zombies with Luciferians. A Zombie apocalypse is definitely something we need to worry about… Luciferians not so much

You are not the only one that has wasted time with unfruitful doctrines and legalism. I have too, as have many others. I’d like to invite you to join another site I have. It’s a forum where many of us are trying to grow in Christ, and help each other work out these questions. You can talk about anything you wish there, and just about everything is talked about. Here is the address http://swordforums.net  John Hardin

Excellent! Thankyou. I will register and jump in over there. Likewise, I have a facebook group to which I’d like to extend you an invitation. You’d have to friend me first, of course. My name is Adam Meade and I live in Cabot, AR. That should help you find me to add me. I understand if you don’t, however. It seems that you already have a lot on your plate and I know it can be overwhelming to get too many irons in the fire. Still, I would encourage you to join it. I wasn’t always a Christian and have studied many other religions along the way, and I created the group in hopes of helping to answer the more difficult questions associated with Christianity. It’s called “Who are we? Where did we come from? Why are we here?”. In fact, I’m not sure if you’d have to friend me as the group is open and I think you can just add yourself. Anyhow, whether I see you there or not, you’ll hear from me again.
Your brother in Christ,
Adam  Adam777

Does anyone know where I can see/hear Tom Deckards videos. He wants 25 dollars plus 7 for shipping for them, and I am unemployed and cant afford them. I’ve looked all over the internet
hoping someone would have uploaded them somewhere. Anyway I’ve read soooo much about this “supposedly” false prophet, that I’d always like to see the evidence for myself, as I am an avid kjv reader, and have heard the comments on this blog, and many other sites. I’d appreciate if someone could help me out? Thanks, Joan joanofark06@ gmail.com  joanofark06

This video will lead you to many great videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnXFb2izmDA

Also you can catch the 5 day a week radio blog here: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/beitephraim

True prophet; last day Elijah. My eyes have witnessed the anointing working.

Judge not, lest we be judged.
A proud look and sowing discord is abomination to the Lord.  Joshua

@Joshua – You manipulative punk. Don’t try to scare us into not exposing Tom Deckard with your “judge not lest we be judged” crap. We should be afraid of God’s judgment if we DON’T expose false teachers and charlatans.

You will answer for your ignorance.  John Hardin

I believe that according to your logic and reasoning, John the Baptist was a false prophet when John was imprisoned and executed by Herod for boldly preaching against his adulterous marriage. John spoke against Herod because he married his brother’s wife, Herodias.  AwakenedToTruth

@John – Glad I happened back across this page to see you railing at me for the word’s sake, for blessed are they that suffer being falsely accused. You’re not exposing anything but the issues of your heart.

For anyone interested in actually hearing this prophet of God for themselves, here’s a great, full length video for free on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE-DHtmRol4  Joshua

one little thing i want to say, when i first watched Tom Deckard on the prophecy club he caught my attention because he scarcely talked about Jesus,

secondly God doesn’t use his prophets to bother people by reveling to them what they are doing in secret in order to surprise them.

but what is strange about Tom Deckard is that if you visit his own website you’ll find where he states that the blood of Jesus is not enough to save, but we need to keep the sabbath to make the sacrifice complete.

does the bible say that?

would a prophet of God ever say something like that?

in conclusion, just this little evidence disqualifies him. he’s not from God  Gary_4_Jesus

Wow, I can’t believe it’s over! I realize that just because Tom Deckard’s insanity is fizzling out, there are many more of where he comes from. I did a search on Tom Deckard, cost me about $40, and I was not surprised at what I found out. Tom committed adultry with his first wife and then married his mistress, Donna. They have his and her Cadillacs although Tom supposedly took a vow of poverty. At the January quarterly meeting a woman who came for healing froze to death after leaving the meeting early. If Tom is such a prophet of God, why didn’t he know something was going to happen? My husband was heavily involved(with Tom) and had already paid the $5000 downpayment for the purchase of the property on an island in the Carribean. Tom takes all of his children and grandchildren there on vacation. My now 16 year old son said that Tom used scare tactics on the congregants. Have you ever wondered why God would use a smoker and drinker to deliver his precious Word? Joshua, you poor wounded soul. You are very precious to God and I am not giving up on you to find God’s plan and purpose for your life. I was raised in an unhealthy church group where there was abuse. I believe most who are attracted to Tom have been abused in some way. He is cocky and so sure of himself. Let the Spirit of God bind up the brokeness of what life, people, and Satan has hurled at you.  Elizabeth Eblen

what did your husband get for the $5000? actual land, or the priviledge of putting up a tent. Just wondering. I’m hearing really strange stuff about this man.  sarah