Lol! I think I know some guys that have used that method to write books  John K

John said: If you’re trying to prove Baptists existed in the first century, and you find “John the Baptist”… take it!

Bro Goodwin:
John, let me ask you a some serious questions.

1. If you were alive in 150 A.D. and looking for a church that was baptistic… did it exist?
2. How about the catholic church… did it exist in 150 A.D.?
3. How about later on, if you were alive in 1400 A.D. and looking for a baptistic church… did it exist?
4. Is there a date you can prove that is the beginning of the baptist church?
5. Do you believe John Wesly’s Methodist church to the church Jesus started?
6. Do you believe the church of England and Martin Luther’s church to be part of the church that Jesus started?
7. Did the Baptist in the 1500’s fellowship with Martin Luther’s crowd?
8. In Revelation 17:5 who are the ‘harlots” that were spawned by the “great whore?”
9. Who are “protestants” and where did they get their name?
10. Do you believe Baptist are protestants?

Bonus question: In the Bible, who called John… “the baptist?”

These are some questions to challenge your thinking on this very important subject of THE BAPTIST.  Evangelist Dan goodwin

Dan Goodwin: I really don’t desire to turn this post into a heated debate over Church history but I think you are seriously misinformed. John the Baptist was called baptist, not because of his religious affiliation, but because of what he did… he baptized people. John the Baptist was a Jew, and since the resurrection hadn’t occurred in his lifetime, he was not part of the New Testament Church.

Although I said I don’t want to get into a heated debate with you over this… I’m sure this next statement will spark one… The catholic church (not the ecclesiastical institution of today) WAS the true church in 150 AD. The Apostles Creed from the mid-second century attests to that. I’ll let my response go with that, and see where you take it from there….  John Hardin

John said:
The catholic church (not the ecclesiastical institution of today) WAS the true church in 150 AD. The Apostles Creed from the mid-second century attests to that. I’ll let my response go with that, and see where you take it from there….

BRO GOODWIN: OK… Your statement doesnt make a bit of sense. Go back and study my questions and try to answer them…. you might get enlightened.  Evangelist Dan goodwin

Evangelist Dan goodwin: John said: If you’re trying to prove Baptists existed in the first century, and you find “John the Baptist”… take it!Bro Goodwin:
John, let me ask you a some serious questions.1. If you were alive in 150 A.D. and looking for a church that was baptistic… did it exist?
2. How about the catholic church… did it exist in 150 A.D.?
3. How about later on, if you were alive in 1400 A.D. and looking for a baptistic church… did it exist?
4. Is there a date you can prove that is the beginning of the baptist church?
5. Do you believe John Wesly’s Methodist church tothe church Jesus started?
6. Do you believe the church of England and Martin Luther’s church to be part of the church that Jesus started?
7. Did the Baptist in the 1500’s fellowship with Martin Luther’s crowd?
8. In Revelation 17:5 who are the ‘harlots” that were spawned by the “great whore?”
9. Who are “protestants” and where did they get their name?
10. Do you believe Baptist are protestants?Bonus question:In the Bible, who called John… “the baptist?”These are some questions to challenge your thinking on this very important subject of THE BAPTIST.

I really don’t have the time or the energy right now to give you a Church history lesson. I know you think you have all the answers, but judging from the questions you have asked me, the only things you know of Church history is the Landmark Baptist belief fad that is going around these days.

I’ll tell you what I’ll do. I post an article which answers all those questions for you, and when I do I’ll let you know and we can discuss it from there.  John Hardin

JOHN SAID:\
I really don’t have the time or the energy right now to give you a Church history lesson. I know you think you have all the answers, but judging from the questions you have asked me, the only things you know of Church history is the Landmark Baptist belief fad that is going around these days.

BRO GOODWIN: A fad??? Sorry to hear you say that. Course, I dont know what youmean when you speak of Landmark. I dont need you to post any article you found somewhere. I would challenge you to read my book THE CHURCH TO SEE OR NOT TO SEE. I think First Bapt in Hammond sells them… you could call them and get it. Thomas Armitage wrote some good stuff the trail of blood is excellent, several other authors I could recommend. Course, the Bible is the final authority on it all. I give alot of quotes in my book from the old timers, but most of it is from the Word of God.

Funny, you did not answer my questions concerning the Greek… (nobody who uses Greek ever does) and you wont touch these questions either.  Evangelist Dan goodwin

Evangelist Dan goodwin: JOHN SAID:
I really don’t have the time or the energy right now to give you a Church history lesson. I know you think you have all the answers, but judging from the questions you have asked me, the only things you know of Church history is the Landmark Baptist belief fad that is going around these days.
BRO GOODWIN:A fad??? Sorry to hear you say that.Course, I dont know what youmean when you speak of Landmark. I dont need you to postany article you found somewhere.I would challenge you to read my book THE CHURCH TO SEE OR NOT TO SEE.I think First Bapt in Hammond sells them… you could call them and get it.

First of all, I’ll email you when I finish writing the article myself… I don’t need to copy and paste anything, Church history is one of my favorite areas of study. I’ve read many books on Church history and I have a very good understanding of the subject. If I ever feel like I need a refresher on modern Baptist ideologies I’ll be sure to pick up your book.

Evangelist Dan goodwin: Thomas Armitage wrote some good stuff the trail of blood is excellent, several other authors I could recommend.

I’ve read Thomas Armitage… and as far as the other book goes… I can tell you that the Trail of Blood is one of the worst books on Church history I have EVER read. Maybe your copy has footnotes, but mine didn’t so I had to do the follow up work myself… very unscholarly and very inaccurate.

Evangelist Dan goodwin: Course, the Bible is the final authority on it all.I give alot of quotes in my book from the old timers, but most of it is from the Word of God.Funny, you did not answer my questions concerning the Greek… (nobody who uses Greek ever does) and you wont touch these questions either.

LOL! The Bible is the final authority on ancient to modern Church history? You do know the last book of the Bible was written in AD95 right? I don’t remember John writing about the Waldensians.

As for your Greek comment… I read your questions and you never asked a question about the Greek… maybe that’s why nobody every answers your Greek question.  John Hardin

I never asked 8-10 questions about the Greek? Like, do you know Greek? Do you feel like you are expert in it?? Do you feel you know greek better than the translators??? You dont remember those questions John? They were there in outline form after your statement about Rev 20 being translated wrong.

As for The Bible being the authority on the church…. I stand with that statement, JOHN. The Bible IS the authority for who started the church, when, where, what a church is, the ordanances and all faith and practice… PERIOD.
As for THE TRAIL OF BLOOD, Bro Carroll’s work does not need me to defend it… it has stood the test of time and liberal historians… as has Armitage. Answer my questions on the church John…. you won’t because they reveal how shallow you are on the subject. LOL… hahaha… here we have a man who says he is on the fence concerning the rapture… (when anyone who reads his blogs knows he fell off the fence already) , who doesnt know what a baptist is and cant answer my simple questions that most 9th graders could answer, believes hios KJB is not translated right (in areas that go against his beliefs), doesnt understand figures,types, and shadows in the Bible, HAS THE NERVE TO CRITICISE THE AUTHOR OF THE TRAIL OF BLOOD???

Let’s just go our seperate ways , John since you refuse to answer the questions.  Evangelist Dan goodwin

I see now, you asked those questions on a different post. Try to keep up Dan… we are on the post entitled “Interpreting the Bible”. I deleted the response you made on the other post so if you’d like to repost it here I’d be glad to answer your questions about the Greek.

I’ll remind you that we are talking about Church “history” in this discussion. I’m not sure what Greek has to do with it, but if you think my answering your questions will help your case I’ll play along.  John Hardin