Nice conversation on the 2012 subject. I have researched this subject and what people need to understand is that the western Culture takes this way out of context and makes it fan appealing and makes it profitable. No man knows when the end of (living)mankind or this world will come to an end. Each culture has their idea and their belief of how and when it will happen. The Mayans do have a calender that according to Western Culture will end in 2012. The Chinese have their own depiction and use the E Ching method. Nostradamus wrote several quatrains about this. The web-bot program is the most modern method that has been adopted. I hope that people read and watch things knowing that these predictions,methods,adaptations, are like you stated theories and until they happen(or probably will not happen), should be taken as just that. I enjoyed this topic and hope others will to. God Bless.  Ray

Thanks Ray for the review! And you’re right, they are all theories and when you give these theories a little bit of serious thought, it becomes evident they aren’t as factual as some people would have us believe.  John Hardin

1 major issue with the comments from Ev. Goodwin: we should not always interpret Scripture in three ways – literally, typologically, and prophetically. We should interpret a passage according to its context. Some passages are literal, some are metaphorical, others are prophetic – context is key. His point of view leaves a huge open door for folks to make Scripture mean whatever they want it to mean – which has led to some really bizarre eschatological theories.

Also, I take issue with his comment that Baptist preachers are the biggest scoffers in the world. Baptist preachers (in general) are not scoffing at Christ’s coming. It troubles me that he even wrote “Baptist preachers” in the margin next to 2 Pet. 3:3. If anything, Baptist preachers are some of the biggest date setters (or “season” setters) there are – which is on the opposite side of the spectrum from those that scoff at Christ’s return.

Perhaps I misunderstood his statements, in which case I would be glad to retract my comments.

Interesting interview. Good job, Johns.  Joe Cassada

I’m glad you mentioned the “interpretation of scripture” thing Joe. I was thinking the same thing at the time, but to discuss that would have been off topic. Like you said… if one can interpret every passage like Ev. Goodwin said, then every passage becomes fair game to stretch the meaning to anything we want… very dangerous. This method is exactly what every heretical “christian” group has done throughout history to justify their doctrines. Like you said Joe… context is the key to interpreting scripture. Thanks for bringing that up.

If you’ll remember the question I asked that prompted that response from Ev. Goodwin was regarding his interpretation of the creation week and his claim that it was prophetic of a 7000 year creation. I brought up the one place in the New Testament where the creation week was used as a metaphor for something else… the 7th day being a metaphor for our rest in Christ. The context of Hebrews chapter 4 seems to be the only place we could draw any conclusions about the Sabbath rest. To say anything else about the sabbath rest would be conjecture.  John Hardin

The lengthy debate that ensued from this point in the comments of this post have been moved to their own post here:
http://gideonsword.net/doctrinaltruth/goodwin_debate

For those involved, please direct your comments to that post. Thank you.  John Hardin

You guys have to see this… the Manager of NASA’s “Near Earth Object” department put out a statement about Asteroids in 2012. He also makes some scientific analysis of the other rumored hazards approaching in 2012. You can read the article here… http://blogs.jpl.nasa.gov/?p=59  John Hardin

Joe Cassada: 1 major issue with the comments from Ev. Goodwin: we should not always interpret Scripture in three ways – literally, typologically, and prophetically. We should interpret a passage according to its context. Some passages are literal, some are metaphorical, others are prophetic – context is key. His point of view leaves a huge open door for folks to make Scripture mean whatever they want it to mean – which has led to some really bizarre eschatological theories.Also, I take issue with his comment that Baptist preachers are the biggest scoffers in the world. Baptist preachers (in general) are not scoffing at Christ’s coming. It troubles me that he even wrote “Baptist preachers” in the margin next to 2 Pet. 3:3. If anything, Baptist preachers are some of the biggest date setters (or “season” setters) there are – which is on the opposite side of the spectrum from those that scoff at Christ’s return.Perhaps I misunderstood his statements, in which case I would be glad to retract my comments.Interesting interview. Good job, Johns.

So Brother Joe: You do not believe in the prophetic types in the Bible? You do not believe the 7th day of the creative week is a type/shadow of the 1000 year Millennium? I did not mean to say that all scripture always has the 3 interpretations, but that we can and should look for them.
As for the Baptist being sceptics… you proved my point! Because some have set dates and been wrong, most are scoffers now. You have really S T R E T C H E D what I said about the 3 interpretations in your statement above. I am sorry you found it necessary to do so.  Evang Dan Goodwin

Joe Cassada: 1 major issue with the comments from Ev. Goodwin: we should not always interpret Scripture in three ways – literally, typologically, and prophetically. We should interpret a passage according to its context. Some passages are literal, some are metaphorical, others are prophetic – context is key. His point of view leaves a huge open door for folks to make Scripture mean whatever they want it to mean – which has led to some really bizarre eschatological theories.Also, I take issue with his comment that Baptist preachers are the biggest scoffers in the world. Baptist preachers (in general) are not scoffing at Christ’s coming. It troubles me that he even wrote “Baptist preachers” in the margin next to 2 Pet. 3:3. If anything, Baptist preachers are some of the biggest date setters (or “season” setters) there are – which is on the opposite side of the spectrum from those that scoff at Christ’s return.Perhaps I misunderstood his statements, in which case I would be glad to retract my comments.Interesting interview. Good job, Johns.

There is alot of Scripture and principles in the O.T. and N.T. that back up the 7th day of the creative week being a type of the 1000 year Millennium, as well as the day as a 1000 year scenario. Just because you have not ever looked for it, is no reason to trash it.
The host and I already hashed all this out… and I do not plan to go through it again… go read the thread above. John has clearly shown his error in the following areas:
1. Believes there are errors in the translation of the King James Bible.
2. Does not seem to believe in pre trib rapture or 1000 year Millennial reighn.
3. Has a Protestamd view of the church and its history.  Evang Dan Goodwin

Back again? We already danced to this tune. The rather lengthy comment thread is located here: http://gideonsword.net/doctrinaltruth/goodwin_debate.

Seriously, Hardin, is your site reposting comments or are Goodwin’s comments above new? – because I’m pretty sure that this was already posted and answered before Christmas.  Joe Cassada

Sadly… no, the site is not malfunctioning. I wish that were the case… it would be much easier to fix than the type of malfunction we are witnessing.  John Hardin

Joe… “dancing to a new tune” hahaha… are you using the lingo of dancing “figurativly” here Joe??? hahaha… too bad you cant see that God is the real AUTHOR of it. Shame you will use the worlds lingo… but can not see it in Scripture!
Sorry.. but you and your “host” are the ones who started the character assination… not me.  Evang Dan Goodwin

Could you please show me where I assassinated your character? Disagreeing with your interpretations is hardly character assassination.  Joe Cassada

Dan,

Wanna dance? Seriously man, go away.  Pastor John