YES TIME IS COMEING TO THE END LOOK AT REVELATION WE KNOW A MAN WILL EXPIRATION IN 70 I DO NOT KNOW DATE OF THE END OF TIME BUT I LIKE TO BE IN THE HANDS OF GOD  RHITMAN7

People who use all caps and no punctuation give me bad flashbacks of Latin class.  Joe Cassada

Good job on time but i from i take from this that everything is already predetermined(or has already happened in Gods eyes). You say that time is not something that we can perceive in the way God does for the Father has already set the wheels in motion of what will happen and to God it has already happened because prophecy has shown the things God wants to happen. For example Pilate crucifying Christ, God already seen that happening and was part of the plan God had set into motion? I would like to hear a discussion or maybe a follow up to this discussion on the verse from the book of Mathew. Mathew 28:20 i believe it goes… Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Other versions say the last part of that passage says “even until the end of the age.” How you interpret the word or how it has been translated or mistranslated is up to the reader. Now this is where it gets a little bit confusing. I understand the definition of “age” as a period of time. Time is defined as the measurable period in which something is happening or has happened or continues to happen. Jesus says he will be with us till the end of the “age” or “world” if this being true then after this period of time we are in flesh on earth we ascend to heaven where we then spend eternity with God. Once again a word that describes a period of time. Eternity means a endless or immeasurable amount of time. So i take it that time really doesn’t matter to God because eternity is not measurable and really doesn’t effect us once we reach heaven? I agree that the “end of time” as we see it is coming. When? Only God knows and he has already seen this. It may be as you stated the rapture, natural or unnatural death, many different reasons actually. I believe that when my “time” on earth is over i will ascend to heaven and be with the Lord and the Father and everyone that i believe went there before me. Well enough about my perception of time and once again great topic i always enjoy listening to your audio sermons and discussions. God Bless you and your family and hope to hear more from you.  Ray Hartman

Ray,

Thanks for listening, you make some interesting observations. We know that God created time in Genesis when the evening and the morning were the first day. Prior to that time did not exist. It is also important to note that God has predetermined the bounds of our habitation (Acts 17:26). Scripture also tells us in Ephesians 1:11, that God works all things after the counsel of his own will. There are several other passages that deal with God having charted the course of the universe, but the point is that God has place us in and bound us by time. The book of Revelations tells us that “time will be no more.” So, while we live in time on earth, and God deals with us according to time, Heaven knows no time. I am sure that my answer isn’t exhaustive by any means, but I hope it helps. Thanks for listening.  Pastor John

Thanks John the Bible has many mentioning of ages and time through out it. I haven’t researched them all and by no means am i scholarly on this subject. I do read it and and take what i read and think about it though. I hope you do a follow up on this subject and would like to hear about your thoughts on Genesis, the first chapter of the Bible. Thanks and God Bless  Ray Hartman

I don’t know if this adds to the discussion. It is another analogy like the chess board and Spurgeon’s mountaintop/river. I had it explained to me that God “looks” at time like a person would look at a map. God is outside time just like the person is outside the map. God knows the beginning and the end just like the person knows their starting point and ending point to determine the roads to travel. Our frame of reference causes us to place events linearly or to frame things as “ages” or “worlds.” God communicates to us with these words (see Blue Letter Bible; in Matthew aion is used at least 9 times; many other occurences from Matthew to Revelation). Therefore, we see the events from the Creation to the Birth of the Church (Pentecost) and into the future to the Consummation. However, God “sees” the events all at once like the person sees the map all at once. I’d make the case that God did not and does not change and Jesus always had a spiritual body; one that we will have at the Consummation (see I Corinthians 15:42ff). As stated in Philippians 2, “but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.” (NKJV) Also, as stated in the Athanasian Creed, “Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man of the substance of his Mother, born in the world; Perfect God and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father, as touching his manhood; Who, although he be God and Man, yet he is not two, but one Christ; One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh but by taking of the Manhood into God; One altogether; not by confusion of Substance, but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and Man is one Christ;”  George Milcetich

This is an extremely fascinating and important topic and one so little discussed. I came up with the exact conclusion that you did in reference to time in the supernatural realm. That is that all saints past and present arrive together at the same moment with possibly some first-fruits exceptions (Mat 17:3, Rev 6:9 maybe more?) Another misunderstood point in reference to time I would like to see explored is the phrase “the Lord’s Day of (Rev 1:10) Why that absolutely has to refer to the 1st day of the week instead of the Day of the Lord (in the Greek both are possible) I don’t know? If what John saw was as lengthy as any of the other Days of the Lord in the creation account noting that the universe wasn’t even created until the fourth day (Gen 1: 14-19) It permits the entire vision of John to interact or intercept time anywhere Ultimately though (if you can hear it) I believe natural time begins and and ends at one single moment that is when the Lamb was slain Rev 13:8 and our Lord declared “IT IS FINISHED” Jn 19:30 It just depends on your vantage point Bless you.  Chad Troescher

Chad, I agree completely with your conclusions (as you may have gathered from listening to the podcast). It truly is fascinating to understand our our existence as a singularity, beginning and ending at the same time and focused on the cross. Thank you for listening, and thank you for your comment.  John Hardin

George, I actually think the analogy of a map might be a better way to illustrate this thought. Thank you for your input.  John Hardin